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From: Pd on 10 Mar 2010 12:14 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > In short, you could get somewhere with the manual because you're a > highly educated, highly trained technical specialist Sorry, are we talking about T i m here? <weg> -- Pd
From: T i m on 10 Mar 2010 15:02 On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:14:42 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) wrote: >Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > >> In short, you could get somewhere with the manual because you're a >> highly educated, highly trained technical specialist > >Sorry, are we talking about T i m here? <weg> But don't forget it was Rowland saying it. ;-) However, he's mostly right about the outcome though ... the "call Tim , he'll know how to fix it" thing. Today it was a 70 year old Italian ex nurseryman and his get to house intercom system working <shrug>. Before that it was at my mates cycle shop and me advising them to (and how to) hold the mostly stripped ally frame of a very expensive MTB in their vice 1) without damaging it and 2) holding it firm enough to be able to twist it to see if the 'click' was just down to the frame or some other component (it was the frame). To me it's (well, those things) all pretty obvious stuff? Cheers, T i m
From: Jim on 10 Mar 2010 15:53 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > Understood. I would imagine a single green triangle might be easier to > > note than the word 'Play' written in the same space (more so if it's > > play / stop). > > Huh? A single green triangle means `The nicest one in Quality Street'. > `Play' means play. > > So `Play' is easier to note, because it bears meaning in a way that a > green triangle does not. Not if you can't read, or can't read English. Icons became popular for a very good reason. Yes, you initially have to learn what their meaning/function is, but they're largely language independent. Most people when told that the rightwards facing arrow means 'play' go "Oh, ok" and _never have to be told again_. And when presented with a different model of cassette player they know what the controls are because even though they're in a different place and/or a different size, they have the same icons and therefore the same meaning. True, if they have extra controls with new, unfamiliar icons (for example a graphic equaliser) they may have to experiment a wee bit to find out what they are for, but largely people get around this by pressing them and seeing what happens. I know that you personally have problems with this. To get back to the point you were making, I could take a player made here in Britain (with standard icons), take it to darkest India, and there's a very good chance that a random person over there would have no problems with the interface, simply because it uses icons and not words. Jim -- "Microsoft admitted its Vista operating system was a 'less good product' in what IT experts have described as the most ambitious understatement since the captain of the Titanic reported some slightly damp tablecloths." http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/
From: Pd on 11 Mar 2010 04:59 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > Before that it was at my mates cycle shop and me advising them to (and > how to) hold the mostly stripped ally frame of a very expensive MTB in > their vice 1) without damaging it and 2) holding it firm enough to be > able to twist it Those Motor Torpedo Boats are devils to grip securely. So how *do* you hold an alloy frame tightly without damaging it? -- Pd
From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 11 Mar 2010 05:24
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:59:24 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) wrote: >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >> Before that it was at my mates cycle shop and me advising them to (and >> how to) hold the mostly stripped ally frame of a very expensive MTB in >> their vice 1) without damaging it and 2) holding it firm enough to be >> able to twist it > >Those Motor Torpedo Boats are devils to grip securely. >So how *do* you hold an alloy frame tightly without damaging it? Softwood shims in the vice, usually. Cheers - Jaimie -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 |