Turn your Rigol DS1052E Oscilloscope into a 100MHz DS1102E
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From: George Jefferson on 4 Apr 2010 03:48 "Andrew" <anbyvbel(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hp96ps$le3$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > "Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:GfydnXxS1eQniSXWnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> >> >> Andrew wrote: >>> "George Jefferson" <George(a)Jefferson.com> wrote in message >>> news:hp5ubb$itv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>>>Or the 100Mhz version is up to snuff but overpriced? is that not an >>>>option? In fact, it seems like the most likely case. It is been a well >>>>used marketing ploy to bring in extra revenues. >>> >>> >>> It is funny to watch people who feel "cheated" by "overpriced" Rigol >>> units. >>> If you do not like the price you do not buy it. buy somebody else's or >>> not buy at all. End of story. >> >> How about selling an "upgrade" to Rigol scopes? > > Sure. I *believe* everyone who has not signed "not to sell an upgrade" > agreement with Rigol has the right to do it, because he does not violate > any contracts. > > Again, I am not talking about current laws. > Hmm.. so Rigol does not have an implicit contract with it's customers? From there website: "RIGOL TECHNOLOGIES, INC. is an emerging leader in the test and measurement field. Our current product line consists of Digital Oscilloscopes, Function/Arbitrary Waveform Generators, Digital Multimeters, Virtual Instruments with LXI compatibility and more. Business Philosophy: Focus on our customers current and future needs by creating innovative, high quality products that deliver great value. " So by "focus" and "needs" they mean cheat and lie? Oh, this isn't a legal contract, right? is that what you are going to hide behind? Do implicit moral and/or ethical contracts exist? No, why not? Are you in favor of having them? No? Why not? So, what about this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unjust_enrichment
From: Andrew on 4 Apr 2010 09:33 "George Jefferson" <George(a)Jefferson.com> wrote in message news:hp9f6n$fh4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > "Andrew" <anbyvbel(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:hp9308$dfn$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >> "George Jefferson" <George(a)Jefferson.com> wrote in message >> news:hp5ubb$itv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> Or the 100Mhz version is up to snuff but overpriced? is that not an >>> option? In fact, it seems like the most likely case. It is been a well >>> used marketing ploy to bring in extra revenues. >> >> It is funny to watch people who feel "cheated" by "overpriced" Rigol >> units. >> >> Rigol sells unit X with capabilities Y at price Z. >> >> The only thing they have no right to do is to sell unit that does not >> work as advertized. >> It may or may not work better. >> >> If you do not like the price you do not buy it. buy somebody else's or >> not buy at all. End of story. >> >> Rigol does not owe you or anybody else anything. >> If they want to add 10MHz limiter and sell this new 10MHz unit, it is >> their choice, not yours and definitely not mine. >> > > Do they not owe me honesty? Wher is the dishonesty on Rigol side? > Do they have a right to lie to me so they can benefit themselves? Where did they lie? > It's all about you isn't it? Yes, it is all about me. It is always about "me" for everyone, including you. <snip> Wow, you've got a really powerful stuff somewhere, haven't you? Should I feel pity or envy? I am not really sure... -- Andrew
From: Andrew on 4 Apr 2010 09:44 "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote in message news:4BB520B9.2010101(a)electrooptical.net... > On 4/1/2010 1:34 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote: >> On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:31:32 -0700, John Larkin >> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hypothetically, what would happen if there were no patent or copyright >>> laws? World would be a better place. >>> John >> >> A lot of people would be employed differently. It might be better, all >> told, if monopolies of arbitrary duration were not imposed by >> governments. Consumer labeling laws (much as we have now) could deal >> with a lot of the confusion that would arise. Software companies would >> have to sell service and/or lock their software so it called home or >> used a dongle if they wanted to get paid for it. Would open-source >> software be more available or less available under those conditions? >> > > The idea of patents is to make it attractive for people to disclose their > trade secrets, and that makes the art advance. > The road to hell is paved with good intentions. 17 years in US, for starters, is way too long. Patents often used to lock competitors out, thus artificially decresing efficiency. Etc, etc. -- Andrew
From: Andrew on 4 Apr 2010 09:46 "Greegor" <greegor47(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:58f64e6b-2884-4b4c-bbea-60f45949dfba(a)j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > The usual presumption for different prices is that > different COSTS are involved. Wrong. Supply - demand + goverment intervention. Nothing more, nothing less. -- Andrew
From: Vladimir Vassilevsky on 4 Apr 2010 11:23
Andrew wrote: > "George Jefferson" <George(a)Jefferson.com> wrote in message > news:hp9f6n$fh4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >> >>"Andrew" <anbyvbel(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:hp9308$dfn$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >> >>>"George Jefferson" <George(a)Jefferson.com> wrote in message >>>news:hp5ubb$itv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>>>Or the 100Mhz version is up to snuff but overpriced? is that not an >>>>option? In fact, it seems like the most likely case. It is been a well >>>>used marketing ploy to bring in extra revenues. >>> >>>It is funny to watch people who feel "cheated" by "overpriced" Rigol >>>units. >>>If you do not like the price you do not buy it. buy somebody else's or >>>not buy at all. End of story. >> >>Do they not owe me honesty? > Wher is the dishonesty on Rigol side? > > >>Do they have a right to lie to me so they can benefit themselves? > Where did they lie? > > >>It's all about you isn't it? > Yes, it is all about me. It is always about "me" for everyone, including > you. > > > Wow, you've got a really powerful stuff somewhere, haven't you? > Should I feel pity or envy? I am not really sure... BTW, you are preaching to AlwaysWrong troll. He is... Well, he is always, always wrong. One of the professors that taught me in the university used to say: "Don't argue with an idiot. It only makes more difficult for the other people to see a difference between you and him" Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant http://www.abvolt.com |