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From: Woody on 16 Feb 2010 08:55 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > [snip] > > > Even in India, the sky is big. And aeroplanes continue to be small. > > No, I was making the point about Africa, not India. > > The sky is big and aeroplanes are small - and yet, aeroplanes do seem to > collide often enough. Though indications would be that aeroplanes don't crash over africa very often at all. In fact, less than areas with better air traffic control > So you can repeat your mind-numbing matra as often as you like, but... > > What was it killed Yuri Gagarin? Mmm? > > *HIS* aeroplane was smaller than any decently-sized airliner. Didn't he crash in combat operations in an area with full air traffic control? What was your point? -- Woody
From: Peter Ceresole on 16 Feb 2010 13:12 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > Even in India, the sky is big. And aeroplanes continue to be small. > > No, I was making the point about Africa, not India. In the previous message I was making the point that Africa has even lower traffic densities than India, and my Indian example was because that's where I have seen it in action. This wasn't theoretical knowledge, it was first hand from seeing the controllers at work and talking to them. > > The sky is big and aeroplanes are small - and yet, aeroplanes do seem to > collide often enough. In fact they collide rather rarely- mostly on the ground, at airports, because they wander onto active runways. Runway incursions have been recognised as becoming more frequent and there is an action plan to try to reduce them. > > So you can repeat your mind-numbing matra as often as you like, but... > > What was it killed Yuri Gagarin? Mmm? Gagarin was involved in fighter training, in bad weather, and carrying out manoeuvres that no airliner would ever try in an area that was closed to commercial traffic, but which he was sharing with other fighters. That is always going to be dangerous. He flew into the wake of another fighter working in the same airspace. A wake is much larger and more persistent than an aircraft. But this military flying training is totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having. In fact the only reason that such training doesn't result in more midairs is that the sky *is* very big, and the aircraft *are* very small. I don't see what your problem is with that idea; it is certainly the basis for flight safety in Africa. -- Peter
From: Ben Shimmin on 16 Feb 2010 18:37 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk>: > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: >> On 15/02/2010 11:43, T i m wrote: >> > On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:00:55 +0000, Tim Streater >> > <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: >> >> Nearest lamppost is prolly two or three miles away. >> > >> > You still in Africa then? >> >> No, darkest Kent. Last village we lived in dint have streetlites either >> - we prefer it that way. > > My last village didn't have streetlights either. It was good apart from > when you took the rubbish out! It's amazing how much better night vision country folk have than city dwellers. Having lived in big cities all my life, I'm practically blind whenever I go to the countryside and the sun goes down. Once I work out which way is up, though, I love being able to see those twinkly things in the sky. b. -- <bas(a)bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `It is like Swinburne sat down on his soul's darkest night and designed an organized sport.' -- David Foster Wallace, _Infinite Jest_, on American football
From: Chris Ridd on 16 Feb 2010 19:10 On 2010-02-16 23:37:57 +0000, Ben Shimmin said: > work out which way is up, though, I love being able to see those > twinkly things in the sky. Police helicopters? -- Chris
From: Woody on 16 Feb 2010 19:18
Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > On 2010-02-16 23:37:57 +0000, Ben Shimmin said: > > > work out which way is up, though, I love being able to see those > > twinkly things in the sky. > > Police helicopters? Actually, one thing we do have breaking up the night sky is a lot of helicopters. I don't think the police have any though. -- Woody www.alienrat.com |