Upgrading Windows 98
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From: Toolpackinmama on 6 Jan 2010 21:52 98 Guy wrote: > DevilsPGD wrote: > >>> Meanwhile, you can hang a win-98 system directly on the net, >>> no firewall or nat-router, and nothing can penetrate it. And >>> that's win-98se right out of the box - no updates or patches. >> Sure, 98 is protected by the same thing that protects OSX and >> Linux: Relative obscurity. > > Another common misconception. > > Up until (and even during) 2004, windows 98 was not an obscure OS, yet > it was during that time frame (2000 - 2004) that we saw the most > dammaging worms and exploits being directed at win-2K and XP. Why? > Because the NT-based OS's were poorly written and configured (especially > for for home use) - and they were exploitable. Win-98/me was not. How do you feel about Vista and Win 7?
From: John Doe on 7 Jan 2010 00:45 98 Guy <98 Guy.com> wrote: > John Doe wrote: >> > Up until (and even during) 2004, windows 98 was not an >> > obscure OS, yet it was during that time frame (2000 - 2004) >> > that we saw the most dammaging worms and exploits being >> > directed at win-2K and XP. Why? Because the NT-based OS's >> > were poorly written and configured (especially for for home >> > use) - and they were exploitable. Win-98/me was not. >> >> You make many silly claims that desperately lack authoritative >> citations. You validate the expression "you get what you pay >> for". > > All you have to do is post ONE windows-98 vulnerability that > results in unintended code execution and remote control. Try doing a search for "vulnerability in Windows 98". But that is irrelevant since the original poster has abandoned his sinking Windows 98 and joined the rest of the world. You (ObsoleteGuy) remind me of another occasional poster here. Reading your rants is a waste of time, but reading some of replies can be informative and entertaining. I enjoyed being reminded of Windows 98 crashing when Bill Gates demonstrated it, many years ago. I noted that running Windows XP in administrator mode is less safe, but I have always done so and have never run into anything that was not easily fixed simply by copying important files to removable media and restoring my most recent backup copy of Windows XP. I enjoyed this quote too... "If you are so secure with Windows 98, why are you constantly whining about Microsoft dropping support for Windows 98?" And then there is your desperate effort to apply Windows 2000 patches to Windows 98, this says much about your inner confidence in Windows 98... You wrote: > *Windows Script Update 5.6 > *971961 - Unofficial JScript Security Update > *944338 - Unofficial Windows Script Security Update > *973354 - Unofficial Outloook Express Cumulative Security Update > *976325 - Unofficial Internet Explorer Cumulative Security Update > *905495 - Unofficial Security Update (MSIEFTP) > *885258 - Security Update (PROCTEXE) > *816362 - Security Update (MSHTA) > *958869 - Unofficial Security Update (VGX) > *906216 - Unofficial Security Update (DHTML+TRIEDIT) > *920670 - Unofficial Security Update (HLINK) > *918439 - Security Update (ART Image Rendering) > *816093 - JVM 3810 Security Update > *824220 - Unofficial Security Update (IMGUTIL) > *886677 - Unofficial Security Update (MLANG) > *896156 - Unofficial Security Update (MSHTMLED) > *973525 - Unofficial ActiveX Kill Bits (AKB) Security Vulnerability Fix -- > > Post ONE example of such a vulnerability, and you've proved me wrong. > > As for supporting citations, I will direct you here: > > http://secunia.com/advisories/product/13/?task=advisories > > When you drill into the details of all the listed win-98 security issues > (all 32 of them) and separate out the ones pertaining only to the actual > OS, you'll see that none of them could actually result in a remote > take-over. Arguably, the one candidate that *could* have (ms06-026) was > never seen in the wild. > > Now go through the list of Win-2k and XP vulnerabilities, and you'll > find at least 6 different network worms that required nothing more than > a connection to the internet and about 20 minutes of "survival time" > before a vulnerable system becomes trojanized - with no user > intervention required. > > The term "Internet Survival Time" was coined as the average time that a > windows 2K or XP system could be exposed to the internet before it gets > subjected to exploit code and hacked into with no user intervention or > involvement required. > > These are the Secunia advisories for Win-2K (all 224 of them): > > http://secunia.com/advisories/product/1/?task=advisories > > These are the Secuina advisories for Win-XP pro (all 267 of them): > > http://secunia.com/advisories/product/22/?task=advisories > > > Path: news.astraweb.com!border5.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!weretis.net!feeder2.news.weretis.net!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!aioe.org!not-for-mail > From: 98 Guy <98 Guy.com> > Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt > Subject: Re: Upgrading Windows 98 > Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:54:42 -0500 > Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server > Lines: 45 > Message-ID: <4B453EE2.763ABC50 Guy.com> > References: <t5ikj55en0nhe0klsih84f3o06qqgjdpko 4ax.com> <00b679fd$0$12998$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <7q75mpFl3sU1 mid.individual.net> <00ec7df3$0$27968$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <7q799nF8n7U1 mid.individual.net> <00afd629$0$8059$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <4B417102.A6457CB2 Guy.com> <dcv6k5dr696bq41n2sh3me2dbkerpc1tuh 4ax.com> <4B4525E5.D3459C71 Guy.com> <00c0fd38$0$26772$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: /Rg06CALwARDXoIUo8hAwA.user.speranza.aioe.org > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Complaints-To: abuse aioe.org > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) > X-Accept-Language: en > X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.1 > Cancel-Lock: sha1:3Pa6P52fcfJCxsPQM/M2ZGRgwjo= >
From: John Doe on 7 Jan 2010 01:10 Toolpackinmama <philnblanc(a)comcast.net> wrote: > 98 Guy wrote: >> ... > How do you feel about Vista and Win 7? lol
From: Toolpackinmama on 7 Jan 2010 01:24 John Doe wrote: > You (ObsoleteGuy) remind me of another occasional poster here. > Reading your rants is a waste of time, but reading some of replies > can be informative and entertaining. I enjoyed being reminded of > Windows 98 crashing when Bill Gates demonstrated it, many years > ago. Oh LOL! Woot! I still remember that. What a bringdown! Gates experienced similar humiliations while demonstrating PnP, and USB (as I recall), LOL, poor guy. Of course, my memory of those milestones might be flawed.
From: Toolpackinmama on 7 Jan 2010 01:25
John Doe wrote: > Toolpackinmama <philnblanc(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >> 98 Guy wrote: > >>> ... > >> How do you feel about Vista and Win 7? > > lol LOL ::secret handshake:: |