Upgrading Windows 98
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From: 98 Guy on 6 Jan 2010 19:08 DevilsPGD wrote: > > Meanwhile, you can hang a win-98 system directly on the net, > > no firewall or nat-router, and nothing can penetrate it. And > > that's win-98se right out of the box - no updates or patches. > > Sure, 98 is protected by the same thing that protects OSX and > Linux: Relative obscurity. Another common misconception. Up until (and even during) 2004, windows 98 was not an obscure OS, yet it was during that time frame (2000 - 2004) that we saw the most dammaging worms and exploits being directed at win-2K and XP. Why? Because the NT-based OS's were poorly written and configured (especially for for home use) - and they were exploitable. Win-98/me was not.
From: John Doe on 6 Jan 2010 19:41 98 Guy <98 Guy.com> wrote: > DevilsPGD wrote: > >> > Meanwhile, you can hang a win-98 system directly on the net, >> > no firewall or nat-router, and nothing can penetrate it. And >> > that's win-98se right out of the box - no updates or patches. >> >> Sure, 98 is protected by the same thing that protects OSX and >> Linux: Relative obscurity. > > Another common misconception. > > Up until (and even during) 2004, windows 98 was not an obscure > OS, yet it was during that time frame (2000 - 2004) that we saw > the most dammaging worms and exploits being directed at win-2K > and XP. Why? Because the NT-based OS's were poorly written and > configured (especially for for home use) - and they were > exploitable. Win-98/me was not. You make many silly claims that desperately lack authoritative citations. You validate the expression "you get what you pay for". -- > Path: news.astraweb.com!border5.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!news.musoftware.de!wum.musoftware.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail > From: 98 Guy <98 Guy.com> > Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt > Subject: Re: Upgrading Windows 98 > Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:08:05 -0500 > Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server > Lines: 16 > Message-ID: <4B4525E5.D3459C71 Guy.com> > References: <t5ikj55en0nhe0klsih84f3o06qqgjdpko 4ax.com> <00b679fd$0$12998$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <7q75mpFl3sU1 mid.individual.net> <00ec7df3$0$27968$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <7q799nF8n7U1 mid.individual.net> <00afd629$0$8059$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <4B417102.A6457CB2 Guy.com> <dcv6k5dr696bq41n2sh3me2dbkerpc1tuh 4ax.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: /Rg06CALwARDXoIUo8hAwA.user.speranza.aioe.org > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Complaints-To: abuse aioe.org > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) > X-Accept-Language: en > X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.1 > Cancel-Lock: sha1:v8YDVfjAXPqK0/LSrat7lM9FF5s= >
From: John Doe on 6 Jan 2010 19:43 98 Guy <98 Guy.com> wrote: > Top-Poaster and full-assinine-quoter John Doe wrote: > >> > You can believe your faulty information and knowledge all you >> > want, but your simplistic understanding is wrong. >> >> In other words... If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, >> baffle them with bullshit. > > I'm the one stating specific details You sound delusional and/or like a troll. -- > Path: news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news-out.octanews.net!indigo.octanews.net!news.glorb.com!feeder.erje.net!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail > From: 98 Guy <98 Guy.com> > Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt > Subject: Re: Upgrading Windows 98 > Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:03:40 -0500 > Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server > Lines: 12 > Message-ID: <4B4524DC.875A5514 Guy.com> > References: <t5ikj55en0nhe0klsih84f3o06qqgjdpko 4ax.com> <00b679fd$0$12998$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <7q75mpFl3sU1 mid.individual.net> <s_-dnYKNApRQOKPWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d supernews.com> <4B4171F4.57E7054B Guy.com> <00bd6049$0$23464$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <4B41F936.34074F6F Guy.com> <hht75v$a9q$1 news.eternal-september.org> <4B42B444.2D64DD86 Guy.com> <017b067e$0$11375$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <4B42BFEA.40AC6054 Guy.com> <00b42e40$0$8086$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> <4B43FCCC.C5E28A29 Guy.com> <00c026eb$0$26776$c3e8da3 news.astraweb.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: /Rg06CALwARDXoIUo8hAwA.user.speranza.aioe.org > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Complaints-To: abuse aioe.org > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) > X-Accept-Language: en > X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.1 > Cancel-Lock: sha1:TOm11z1pvGfRBPJi+NnqiqO6cJo= >
From: 98 Guy on 6 Jan 2010 20:54 John Doe wrote: > > Up until (and even during) 2004, windows 98 was not an obscure > > OS, yet it was during that time frame (2000 - 2004) that we saw > > the most dammaging worms and exploits being directed at win-2K > > and XP. Why? Because the NT-based OS's were poorly written and > > configured (especially for for home use) - and they were > > exploitable. Win-98/me was not. > > You make many silly claims that desperately lack authoritative > citations. You validate the expression "you get what you pay for". All you have to do is post ONE windows-98 vulnerability that results in unintended code execution and remote control. Post ONE example of such a vulnerability, and you've proved me wrong. As for supporting citations, I will direct you here: http://secunia.com/advisories/product/13/?task=advisories When you drill into the details of all the listed win-98 security issues (all 32 of them) and separate out the ones pertaining only to the actual OS, you'll see that none of them could actually result in a remote take-over. Arguably, the one candidate that *could* have (ms06-026) was never seen in the wild. Now go through the list of Win-2k and XP vulnerabilities, and you'll find at least 6 different network worms that required nothing more than a connection to the internet and about 20 minutes of "survival time" before a vulnerable system becomes trojanized - with no user intervention required. The term "Internet Survival Time" was coined as the average time that a windows 2K or XP system could be exposed to the internet before it gets subjected to exploit code and hacked into with no user intervention or involvement required. These are the Secunia advisories for Win-2K (all 224 of them): http://secunia.com/advisories/product/1/?task=advisories These are the Secuina advisories for Win-XP pro (all 267 of them): http://secunia.com/advisories/product/22/?task=advisories
From: 98 Guy on 6 Jan 2010 20:57
John Doe wrote: > > I'm the one stating specific details > > You sound delusional and/or like a troll. And with that statement, you've just proved yourself to be one. Congratulations. |