From: jimp on
In sci.physics habshi(a)anony.net wrote:

> So what that means is, in terms of cost, is you can use 100 times less
> silicon. And that's potentially very significant."

Not really.

When you add up all the cell manufacturing costs, the support acquisition
and installation costs, the inverter and controller costs, the wiring
acquisition and installation costs, permits, taxes and all the miscellaneous
other costs to put up solar power connected to the grid, the silicon cost is
trivial.

FYI I recently ran through the exercise to put a solar panel.

The panel item cost is dwarfed by all the other costs to install a working
system.

You are still an idiot.

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Britain will soon become energy independent because the govt has
brought in feed tarriffs for all forms of renewable energy. And
China's leaps and bounds proves that govt investment pays huge
dividends

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http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5275444,00.html

According to the institute, 68 percent of the solar
thermal plants installed worldwide are in China, where the government
urged the industry early on to produce collectors. The thinking behind
it was purely economical: solar heating is much cheaper than heating
with oil or gas - particularly for those with little money.

Depending on the region, solar thermal plants can offset up to 60
percent of the energy required for warm water and heating. The
technology is simple: The sun's rays are absorbed by a flat or
pipe-shaped collector which is connected to a warm water vault. A heat
transfer fluid such as water or air circulates between the two
systems.

As soon as the temperature in the storage vault rises beyond a few
degrees, a circulating pump is activated. The sun's heat is
transported to the storage vault and is sent back to the collector
where the heat cycle begins anew.

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Germany is one of Europe's leading solar thermal countries
The solar thermal market is booming. In 2008, it jumped by around 40
percent due to high oil prices. And it's expected to grow by around 15
to 20 percent yearly in the coming years.

In addition to China, other big markets include Germany, Austria,
Greece, Turkey, Japan and Israel. In fact, Israel was the first
country 30 years ago to make solar thermal plants mandatory for new
buildings.

Huge energy-saving capacity

An estimated 60 million households worldwide heat water with the help
of the sun. Solar warm water and heating system produce an estimated
174 terawatts of energy yearly. That's the equivalent of Poland's
electricity needs by 2020. And solar warm water and heating systems
produce more energy than geothermal, photovoltaic and solar thermal
power plants together.

Together with wind energy, solar thermal energy is considered the main
driving force for replacing fossil-based energy with renewable energy.

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Sunny southern Europe has just begun investing in solar thermal
It's also hoped to make Europe less reliant on energy imports. A study
by Swiss bank Sarasin says that Europe could cut 30 percent of its oil
imports from the Middle East if it targeted the use of solar thermal
energy. But Europe is still far removed from that target. Sunny
countries such as Italy and Spain, which now have laws promoting the
use of renewable energy, have long ignored the technology.

Solar thermal energy has now found mention in the EU's renewable
energy directive for the first time and EU member states have to
present their plans for the national implementation of the directive
by June.

"It's a unique opportunity to drive forward a technology which lacks a
confident industry and a financial instrument such as feed-in tariffs
for solar-powered electricity," said Baerbel Epp from the Global Solar
Thermal Energy Council in Brussels.

Epp pointed out that the German model of feed-in tariffs, which allow
homeowners to receive money for producing solar electricity, had been
adopted around the world. But solar thermal energy still lacked such
well-proven subsidies, Epp said.

"The potential to develop further is still huge," said Fawer. But
first the expensive and complex solar thermal systems need a robust
consumer base with money to spend, he said.

"That's why the conditions are particularly good in emerging economies
with their new middle class," he said.

Sarasin reckons that new solar thermal markets are likely to develop
in Indonesia, Mexico, South Africa and Brazil. But promising signs are
also visible in southern Europe, the US and Australia.

Training staff early on

High hopes are also pinned on India where solar thermal energy has
been blocked by long waiting periods for licenses to be awarded and a
lack of publicity. That's despite the technology being promoted by the
Indian government and a strong potential market.

Baerbel Epp pointed out that it was important to begin early with
providing training to installation and engineering companies.

"Otherwise there's going to be a lack of know-how in new buildings or
those that are upgraded," she said.

From: jimp on
In sci.physics habshi(a)anony.net wrote:
> Britain will soon become energy independent because the govt has
> brought in feed tarriffs for all forms of renewable energy.

Yep, and pigs will fly, the British will all have good teeth, and Habshi
will get his "knowledge" from real books instead of comics.

Or the more likely result will be taxes will skyrocket, the lights will
start flickering, and a bunch of people will freeze in the winter.


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For less than the monthly cost of most cell phone plans, many North
Texans can now use renewable solar energy to help power their homes.

TXU Energy's new solar program, in cooperation with SolarCity, a
national leader in solar financing, design, installation, monitoring
and related services, will provide North Texas homeowners with solar
power systems that can allow them to save money on energy costs from
day one.

The program will include a solar lease option that includes
installation, monitoring, repairs and insurance for a low monthly fee.
As an example, a 4-kilowatt residential solar system, appropriate for
a typical 3-4 bedroom home, would initially cost approximately $35 a
month, with no upfront cost. Customers could purchase the same system
outright for $26,000, not including rebates or federal tax incentives.


The new solar program is only available in Texas through TXU Energy.

"Texans want affordable renewable energy choices, and we're providing
them the choices they want at a cost they can afford," said Jim Burke,
CEO of TXU Energy.

"We all have a vested interest in our shared environment," said Rep.
Rafael Anchia (D-Dallas). "I applaud TXU Energy and SolarCity for
taking the lead to provide Texans with clean, renewable power."

"Our solar lease provides North Texas homeowners the ability to adopt
clean power for less than they previously paid for electricity, and
save money from day one," said Lyndon Rive, CEO of SolarCity. "We
expect this offer to significantly increase the adoption of solar
power in Texas."

"Texas is leading the nation in alternative energy sources. Solar
power is an excellent source of energy but making it affordable has
been difficult until now," said Rep. Linda Harper-Brown (R-Irving).
"With the help of TXU Energy, the citizens of North Texas will be able
to afford solar power and will have another option to lower their
energy bills."

"Today marks a new chapter in bringing renewable energy to Texas on a
mass scale," said Jim Marston, founding director for the Texas office
of the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF). "Thanks to leading companies
like TXU Energy and SolarCity, advancing sustainable energy practices
is taking a big step forward today."

For more information, North Texas residents can call 877-TXU-SOLAR or
go online at www.txu.com/solar.

About TXU Energy

TXU Energy is a market-leading competitive retailer that provides
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From: habshi on
As a way of reducing greenhouse gas emissions associated with
transport, in a joint project between the Delhi government and the
Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR), 1,000 solar
powered rickshaws will ferry competitors around the Games villages and
to assist them in reach sporting venues from public transport
stations.

The Soleckshaws are a form of Pedicab, a pedal-operated and motor
assisted zero-carbon emission, urban transport vehicle. The speed of
a Soleckshaw matches a powered vehicle in downtown traffic conditions;
around 10-15 km/hr.

While there are no solar panels on the rickshaw itself, each
Soleckshaw carries a deep cycle battery that is recharged from a
central recharging station which is powered by solar energy. The
rickshaw motor is a 240 watt, 36 volt BLDC type Hub Motor located on
the front wheel.