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From: BURT on 23 Feb 2010 20:53 On Feb 23, 5:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 23, 8:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 5:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 23, 8:12 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 23, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 23, 6:04 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 2/23/10 4:45 PM, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > > > > What happens when the mass > > > > > > > associated with an electron 'converts' to energy? > > > > > > > What do you mean? Can you generate the corresponding > > > > > > Feynman diagram? > > > > > > What I mean is the following: > > > > > > Matter and aether are different states of the same material. Matter is > > > > > compressed aether and aether is uncompressed matter. > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > > > > > and matter is energy. > > > > > > Same for an electron. The mass associated with an electron does not > > > > > 'convert' to energy. Whatever occurs to an electron to cause it to no > > > > > longer exist as an electron the mass associated with the electron > > > > > still exists, as aether. As the electron coverts to aether it expands. > > > > > The effect this expansion has on the neighboring aether and matter is > > > > > energy. > > > > > Where are the electrons hiding inbetween? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > The electron converts to aether. The mass of the electron still > > > exists, as aether. In terms of E=mc^2, energy is the effect matter > > > (i.e. the electron) has transitioning to aether. When matter > > > transitions to aether it increases in volume. The physical effects > > > this increase in volume has on the neighboring aether and matter is > > > energy. > > > > The mass associated with the electron is not hiding, it still exists, > > > as aether.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Yes it is. Stop hiding your electrons. In a bubble chamber they always > > exist. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > http://www.sprawls.org/ppmi2/ERAD/ > > "Einstein's famous equation E=mc2 predicts the amount of energy that > could be obtained if an object with a mass, m, were completely > converted. In this relationship, c is the speed of light. Although > it is not possible with our present technology to convert most objects > into energy, certain radioactive materials emit particles, called > positrons, that can annihilate electrons. When this happens, the > electron's entire mass is converted into energy. According to > Einstein's relationship, each electron will yield 510 keV. This > energy appears as a photon. The annihilation of positrons and > electrons is the basis for positron emission tomography (PET)." > > The electron's entire mass is not converted to energy. The electron's > entire mass is converted to aether. This conversion of an electron to > aether and the increase in the volume associated with this > transformation and the effect the transition has on the surrounding > aether and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The stateless state aether model is of course hocus pocus. An electron sometimes has no wave. But vice versa is never. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 23 Feb 2010 21:04 On Feb 23, 8:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Feb 23, 5:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 23, 5:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:12 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 23, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 6:04 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2/23/10 4:45 PM, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > > > > > What happens when the mass > > > > > > > > associated with an electron 'converts' to energy? > > > > > > > > What do you mean? Can you generate the corresponding > > > > > > > Feynman diagram? > > > > > > > What I mean is the following: > > > > > > > Matter and aether are different states of the same material. Matter is > > > > > > compressed aether and aether is uncompressed matter. > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > > > > > > and matter is energy. > > > > > > > Same for an electron. The mass associated with an electron does not > > > > > > 'convert' to energy. Whatever occurs to an electron to cause it to no > > > > > > longer exist as an electron the mass associated with the electron > > > > > > still exists, as aether. As the electron coverts to aether it expands. > > > > > > The effect this expansion has on the neighboring aether and matter is > > > > > > energy. > > > > > > Where are the electrons hiding inbetween? > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > The electron converts to aether. The mass of the electron still > > > > exists, as aether. In terms of E=mc^2, energy is the effect matter > > > > (i.e. the electron) has transitioning to aether. When matter > > > > transitions to aether it increases in volume. The physical effects > > > > this increase in volume has on the neighboring aether and matter is > > > > energy. > > > > > The mass associated with the electron is not hiding, it still exists, > > > > as aether.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Yes it is. Stop hiding your electrons. In a bubble chamber they always > > > exist. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > >http://www.sprawls.org/ppmi2/ERAD/ > > > "Einstein's famous equation E=mc2 predicts the amount of energy that > > could be obtained if an object with a mass, m, were completely > > converted. In this relationship, c is the speed of light. Although > > it is not possible with our present technology to convert most objects > > into energy, certain radioactive materials emit particles, called > > positrons, that can annihilate electrons. When this happens, the > > electron's entire mass is converted into energy. According to > > Einstein's relationship, each electron will yield 510 keV. This > > energy appears as a photon. The annihilation of positrons and > > electrons is the basis for positron emission tomography (PET)." > > > The electron's entire mass is not converted to energy. The electron's > > entire mass is converted to aether. This conversion of an electron to > > aether and the increase in the volume associated with this > > transformation and the effect the transition has on the surrounding > > aether and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > The stateless state aether model is of course hocus pocus. An electron > sometimes has no wave. But vice versa is never. > > Mitch Raemsch The point is the electron's mass does not 'convert' to energy. When a positron and electron 'annihilate' each other the mass associated with the electron still exists in nature. There is not less mass in existence in the universe when a positron and electron 'annihilate' each other. The 'annihilation' simply means the electron no longer exists as an electron. The mass associated with the electron still exists, as aether. The increase in volume the matter which is the electron undergoes as it expands in three dimensional space as it transitions to aether is energy.
From: BURT on 23 Feb 2010 21:10 On Feb 23, 6:04 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 23, 8:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 5:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 23, 8:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 23, 5:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:12 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 6:04 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 2/23/10 4:45 PM, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What happens when the mass > > > > > > > > > associated with an electron 'converts' to energy? > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? Can you generate the corresponding > > > > > > > > Feynman diagram? > > > > > > > > What I mean is the following: > > > > > > > > Matter and aether are different states of the same material. Matter is > > > > > > > compressed aether and aether is uncompressed matter. > > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > > > > > > > and matter is energy. > > > > > > > > Same for an electron. The mass associated with an electron does not > > > > > > > 'convert' to energy. Whatever occurs to an electron to cause it to no > > > > > > > longer exist as an electron the mass associated with the electron > > > > > > > still exists, as aether. As the electron coverts to aether it expands. > > > > > > > The effect this expansion has on the neighboring aether and matter is > > > > > > > energy. > > > > > > > Where are the electrons hiding inbetween? > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > The electron converts to aether. The mass of the electron still > > > > > exists, as aether. In terms of E=mc^2, energy is the effect matter > > > > > (i.e. the electron) has transitioning to aether. When matter > > > > > transitions to aether it increases in volume. The physical effects > > > > > this increase in volume has on the neighboring aether and matter is > > > > > energy. > > > > > > The mass associated with the electron is not hiding, it still exists, > > > > > as aether.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Yes it is. Stop hiding your electrons. In a bubble chamber they always > > > > exist. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > >http://www.sprawls.org/ppmi2/ERAD/ > > > > "Einstein's famous equation E=mc2 predicts the amount of energy that > > > could be obtained if an object with a mass, m, were completely > > > converted. In this relationship, c is the speed of light. Although > > > it is not possible with our present technology to convert most objects > > > into energy, certain radioactive materials emit particles, called > > > positrons, that can annihilate electrons. When this happens, the > > > electron's entire mass is converted into energy. According to > > > Einstein's relationship, each electron will yield 510 keV. This > > > energy appears as a photon. The annihilation of positrons and > > > electrons is the basis for positron emission tomography (PET)." > > > > The electron's entire mass is not converted to energy. The electron's > > > entire mass is converted to aether. This conversion of an electron to > > > aether and the increase in the volume associated with this > > > transformation and the effect the transition has on the surrounding > > > aether and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > The stateless state aether model is of course hocus pocus. An electron > > sometimes has no wave. But vice versa is never. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > The point is the electron's mass does not 'convert' to energy. Mass is already energy of infinite density. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 23 Feb 2010 21:18 On Feb 23, 9:10 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Feb 23, 6:04 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 23, 5:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 23, 5:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:12 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 6:04 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 2/23/10 4:45 PM, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when the mass > > > > > > > > > > associated with an electron 'converts' to energy? > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? Can you generate the corresponding > > > > > > > > > Feynman diagram? > > > > > > > > > What I mean is the following: > > > > > > > > > Matter and aether are different states of the same material.. Matter is > > > > > > > > compressed aether and aether is uncompressed matter. > > > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > > > > > > > > and matter is energy. > > > > > > > > > Same for an electron. The mass associated with an electron does not > > > > > > > > 'convert' to energy. Whatever occurs to an electron to cause it to no > > > > > > > > longer exist as an electron the mass associated with the electron > > > > > > > > still exists, as aether. As the electron coverts to aether it expands. > > > > > > > > The effect this expansion has on the neighboring aether and matter is > > > > > > > > energy. > > > > > > > > Where are the electrons hiding inbetween? > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > The electron converts to aether. The mass of the electron still > > > > > > exists, as aether. In terms of E=mc^2, energy is the effect matter > > > > > > (i.e. the electron) has transitioning to aether. When matter > > > > > > transitions to aether it increases in volume. The physical effects > > > > > > this increase in volume has on the neighboring aether and matter is > > > > > > energy. > > > > > > > The mass associated with the electron is not hiding, it still exists, > > > > > > as aether.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Yes it is. Stop hiding your electrons. In a bubble chamber they always > > > > > exist. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > >http://www.sprawls.org/ppmi2/ERAD/ > > > > > "Einstein's famous equation E=mc2 predicts the amount of energy that > > > > could be obtained if an object with a mass, m, were completely > > > > converted. In this relationship, c is the speed of light. Although > > > > it is not possible with our present technology to convert most objects > > > > into energy, certain radioactive materials emit particles, called > > > > positrons, that can annihilate electrons. When this happens, the > > > > electron's entire mass is converted into energy. According to > > > > Einstein's relationship, each electron will yield 510 keV. This > > > > energy appears as a photon. The annihilation of positrons and > > > > electrons is the basis for positron emission tomography (PET)." > > > > > The electron's entire mass is not converted to energy. The electron's > > > > entire mass is converted to aether. This conversion of an electron to > > > > aether and the increase in the volume associated with this > > > > transformation and the effect the transition has on the surrounding > > > > aether and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > The stateless state aether model is of course hocus pocus. An electron > > > sometimes has no wave. But vice versa is never. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > The point is the electron's mass does not 'convert' to energy. > > Mass is already energy of infinite density. > > Mitch Raemsch Mass is not energy. The transition of matter to aether and the increase in volume of the matter as it transitions to aether is energy. E=mc^2 is misinterpreted as a direct conversion of mass to energy. This is incorrect. Einstein always chose his words carefully: 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. EINSTEIN' http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2." Einstein says the body gives off energy. Einstein says the mass of the body diminishes. Einstein does not say the mass converts to energy. The body is able to give off energy because the matter expanding in volume as it converts to aether physically effects the surrounding aether and matter and this effect is energy.
From: BURT on 23 Feb 2010 21:27
On Feb 23, 6:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 23, 9:10 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 6:04 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 23, 8:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 23, 5:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 5:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:12 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 23, 6:04 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/23/10 4:45 PM, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when the mass > > > > > > > > > > > associated with an electron 'converts' to energy? > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? Can you generate the corresponding > > > > > > > > > > Feynman diagram? > > > > > > > > > > What I mean is the following: > > > > > > > > > > Matter and aether are different states of the same material. Matter is > > > > > > > > > compressed aether and aether is uncompressed matter. > > > > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > > > > > > > > > and matter is energy. > > > > > > > > > > Same for an electron. The mass associated with an electron does not > > > > > > > > > 'convert' to energy. Whatever occurs to an electron to cause it to no > > > > > > > > > longer exist as an electron the mass associated with the electron > > > > > > > > > still exists, as aether. As the electron coverts to aether it expands. > > > > > > > > > The effect this expansion has on the neighboring aether and matter is > > > > > > > > > energy. > > > > > > > > > Where are the electrons hiding inbetween? > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > The electron converts to aether. The mass of the electron still > > > > > > > exists, as aether. In terms of E=mc^2, energy is the effect matter > > > > > > > (i.e. the electron) has transitioning to aether. When matter > > > > > > > transitions to aether it increases in volume. The physical effects > > > > > > > this increase in volume has on the neighboring aether and matter is > > > > > > > energy. > > > > > > > > The mass associated with the electron is not hiding, it still exists, > > > > > > > as aether.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Yes it is. Stop hiding your electrons. In a bubble chamber they always > > > > > > exist. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > >http://www.sprawls.org/ppmi2/ERAD/ > > > > > > "Einstein's famous equation E=mc2 predicts the amount of energy that > > > > > could be obtained if an object with a mass, m, were completely > > > > > converted. In this relationship, c is the speed of light. Although > > > > > it is not possible with our present technology to convert most objects > > > > > into energy, certain radioactive materials emit particles, called > > > > > positrons, that can annihilate electrons. When this happens, the > > > > > electron's entire mass is converted into energy. According to > > > > > Einstein's relationship, each electron will yield 510 keV. This > > > > > energy appears as a photon. The annihilation of positrons and > > > > > electrons is the basis for positron emission tomography (PET)." > > > > > > The electron's entire mass is not converted to energy. The electron's > > > > > entire mass is converted to aether. This conversion of an electron to > > > > > aether and the increase in the volume associated with this > > > > > transformation and the effect the transition has on the surrounding > > > > > aether and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > The stateless state aether model is of course hocus pocus. An electron > > > > sometimes has no wave. But vice versa is never. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > The point is the electron's mass does not 'convert' to energy. > > > Mass is already energy of infinite density. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Mass is not energy. The transition of matter to aether and the > increase in volume of the matter as it transitions to aether is > energy. I challenge you to refute that mass is C squared infinitely dense energy of a fundamental point particle. The quantum of space time and energy are the infinitely small. Mitch Raemsch |