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From: Rod Speed on 21 Dec 2006 13:23
Some fuckwit rabid pseudo kraut claiming to be
Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to(a)myweb.nl> desperately
attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and
fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.


From: Folkert Rienstra on 21 Dec 2006 13:29
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:4v01p3F1a454hU1(a)mid.individual.net
> Some fuckwit rabid pseudo kraut claiming to be
> Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to(a)myweb.nl> desperately
> attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and
> fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Thanks Roddles, so nice of you, letting me win. Very much appreciated.
From: Rod Speed on 21 Dec 2006 20:49
Some fuckwit rabid pseudo kraut claiming to be
Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to(a)myweb.nl> desperately
attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and
fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.


From: ANTant on 22 Dec 2006 21:56
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> ANTant(a)zimage.com wrote:
> >>>>>> A third; only power the drive up when doing a backup ?
> >>>>>> It won't get very hot, or for lots of hours.
> >
> >>>>> Backups involve having the drive very active for longish periods.
> >>>>> That's what makes drives get hot, from what I can tell. I have a
> >>>>> 3.5" 160gb Seagate 7200.x drive (not sure of exact model) in a
> >>>>> generic usb2 enclosure with a tiny fan. It runs cool when idling
> >>>>> or slightly active even when I run it overnight. But doing a
> >>>>> backup, it's quite warm after 10 minutes or so, and the backup
> >>>>> takes much longer than that.
> >
> >>>> For short backups, it should be ok. For any longer activity, only
> >>>> adequate cooling will work. Not that Seagates or Samsungs are quite
> >>>> as sensitive to heat, but hot HDD are never good.
> >
> >>> Hmm, I guess I know why this HDD has problem. I *DID* use it as a
> >>> regular drive. I didn't care how slow USB2 was. It was basically for
> >>> playing back music, videos, copy VMware images, etc.
> >
> >>> I did notice this Maxtor USB HDD has one vent on the back. The case
> >>> did get hot after a few hours.
> >
> >> There is your problem...

> > Are there any external HDDs that don't get hot easily?

> Yes, there are a few.

Which ones? Include enclosure types too.
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From: Rod Speed on 22 Dec 2006 23:13
ANTant(a)zimage.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote
>> ANTant(a)zimage.com wrote

>>>>>>>> A third; only power the drive up when doing a backup ?
>>>>>>>> It won't get very hot, or for lots of hours.

>>>>>>> Backups involve having the drive very active for longish
>>>>>>> periods. That's what makes drives get hot, from what I can
>>>>>>> tell. I have a
>>>>>>> 3.5" 160gb Seagate 7200.x drive (not sure of exact model) in a
>>>>>>> generic usb2 enclosure with a tiny fan. It runs cool when
>>>>>>> idling or slightly active even when I run it overnight. But
>>>>>>> doing a backup, it's quite warm after 10 minutes or so, and the
>>>>>>> backup takes much longer than that.

>>>>>> For short backups, it should be ok. For any longer activity, only
>>>>>> adequate cooling will work. Not that Seagates or Samsungs are
>>>>>> quite as sensitive to heat, but hot HDD are never good.

>>>>> Hmm, I guess I know why this HDD has problem. I *DID* use it as a
>>>>> regular drive. I didn't care how slow USB2 was. It was basically
>>>>> for playing back music, videos, copy VMware images, etc.

>>>>> I did notice this Maxtor USB HDD has one vent on the back. The
>>>>> case did get hot after a few hours.

>>>> There is your problem...

>>> Are there any external HDDs that don't get hot easily?

>> Yes, there are a few.

> Which ones?

I havent bothered to keep track of them, just aware that some have
said that their fan cooled enclosure does work very well and keeps
the drive nice and cool. It aint rocket science, the problem appears
to be that far too many care more about appearance than keeping
the drive cool and dont bother with a decent fan etc.

Its harder to keep the drive cool without a fan, but it can be
done, particularly with the cooler running drives like Samsungs.

I also prefer the separate enclosure approach over the packaged
external drives, basically because none of the packaged drives
have more than a 1 year warranty and I prefer to retain the full
3 or 5 year warranty that the drive itself has. Its usually
cheaper to buy a decent external housing separately too.

> Include enclosure types too.

Lot to be said for eSATA because that gives you the full speed
of an internal drive and the SMART stuff is trivial with those.
Not quite as convenient cabling wise, but thats not a big enough
consideration to matter IMO. And you can get some very decent
SATA port multipliers too so you can have multiple drives in a
decently fan cooled box and thats more mechanically convenient
too if you need more than one external drive.

I basically go the NAS route myself, gives even more flexibility.


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