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From: Nick Naym on 19 Dec 2009 11:54 In article jollyroger-E47BF6.20474318122009(a)news.individual.net, Jolly Roger at jollyroger(a)pobox.com wrote on 12/18/09 9:47 PM: > In article <1jay228.1b7hnm917gyvuoN%dcohenspam(a)talktalk.net>, > dcohenspam(a)talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote: > .... .... >> >> ... But, as someone else has pointed out, if things >> go wrong, one has to work out whether it is the drive or the enclosure. >> .... > > That's fairly simple to figure out. And, again, with a separately > purchased enclosure, you know what you are getting. Do you really? Or is it a false sense of knowing? > With an all-in-one, > who knows whether the power supply, fan, I/O interface, will be of good > quality. I have no clue whether the power supply, fan, etc., etc. that's in my Seagate Barracuda is any better or worse than the power supply, fan, etc., etc. that's in my LaCie d2 Quadra. As I said earlier: 1. If you do enough homework, you always can determine what boxes are in the box you're buying, before you buy it. 2. The quality of whatever you buy depends not only the upon the vendor -- be it a manufacturer or assembler -- but upon the vendor's vendors and suppliers. -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8)
From: Nick Naym on 19 Dec 2009 12:08 In article 1jayqob.1v5ekk210m0e55N%dcohenspam(a)talktalk.net, Daniel Cohen at dcohenspam(a)talktalk.net wrote on 12/19/09 7:34 AM: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > ... ... > >> And, again, with a separately >> purchased enclosure, you know what you are getting. With an all-in-one, >> who knows whether the power supply, fan, I/O interface, will be of good >> quality. > > Agreed. I disagree. (See my previous post.) > One would have to rely on the manufacturer's reputation in > general. That's true, as is the nature and true value of the warranty (a 5-year warranty isn't necessarily worth more than a 3-year warranty -- in fact, it may be worth less -- if the vendor imposes burdensome requirements on the user to exercise the warranty), and, of course, the health of the vendor (will the vendor still be in business when and if I need to exercise the warranty?). -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8)
From: Jolly Roger on 20 Dec 2009 11:13 In article <nospam.m-m-30E59B.16111619122009(a)cpe-76-190-186-198.neo.res.rr.com>, M-M <nospam.m-m(a)ny.more> wrote: > In article <jollyroger-3308B4.09433019122009(a)news.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > Because I chose to put a fast 7200 RPM drive in one of mine, it gets > > rather warm when the disk is in constant use, but is not "so hot I could > > not touch it". I've owned hard drives that get so hot you can't touch > > them, and this is nowhere near that hot. > > > > If you were surprised by the amount of heat generated by a hard drive, > > perhaps you should have chosen a better hard drive, since that's what > > generates heat. ; ) > > > > I'm curious: > > > > What hard drive did you put in it? > > I bought the unit as one- a 7200RPM 500GB with Firewire 400/800/USB. I > thought it was the best out there and would be the fastest. > > > Was it the hard drive that failed, or the enclosure? No idea of the brand? > Not sure but backing up my disk with SuperDuper took many hours. Finally > it just stopped working. It was burning hot. All the first day. It probably had a defective hard drive installed in it. > > > I had to argue with customer service to not charge a restocking fee. > > > > Could that be because they were worried the thing wasn't actually > > defective and you were just complaining about it being "too hot"? > > I told them it stopped writing. I suppose they think if you don't want an exchange, but a return, they will try to nab you with a restocking fee. But to me it seems a company should only charge a restocking fee if a product is returned without defects. > > > Then I bought a Lacie Little Disk USB and it is silent, not hot at all > > > and faster. > > > > That Lacie "Little" Disk USB is bigger and clunkier. > > > > <http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=10982> > > The Lacie is way smaller and lighter and half the price: > > Lacie- 3.19 x 5.08 x .71 in; 6.88 oz. $100 > > OWC- 3.5" x 5.5" x 1" < 11 oz. $200 Oh I see now. Thank for the correction. > The Lacie doesn't even get warm and transfer speeds with USB are very > fast. Of course it doesn't get warm. It's got a slower, cooler 5400 RPM drive in it! And I'm betting the OWC was slower because the drive was defective. A 7200 RPM drive in good working condition over Firewire 800 will naturally be faster than a 5400 RPM drive over USB 2. > > You don't get a choice of the hard drive make, model, and speed that > > comes with the Lacie "Little" Disk USB - only the capacity. > > True, but I also don't get a choice of manufacturers in my luxury sedan > engine (or components in my Mac) but the companies do a pretty good job > of matching things up. That's all well and good until you figure out you've got a crappy Western Digital that goes out just after the warranty expires... No, I prefer to pick my own and know what I am getting before-hand. > > I think there's a reason LaCie doesn't list the drive specifications on > > the web page. I would be willing to bet you it comes with a slower 5400 > > RPM drive, as opposed to a faster 7200 RPM drive. That would explain why > > it generates less heat as well. 5400 RPM hard drives are generally much > > slower than equivalent 7200 RPM drives. > > Right. It has a 5400RPM drive and for practical purposes it is more than > enough. I originally wanted a 7200 to use as a fast startup disk but > maybe another day... Yes, and you could have chosen a slower, cooler 5400 ROM drive with the OWC, if you had wanted to. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: Jolly Roger on 20 Dec 2009 11:14 In article <C75272C3.4DDF2%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > In article 1jayqob.1v5ekk210m0e55N%dcohenspam(a)talktalk.net, Daniel Cohen at > dcohenspam(a)talktalk.net wrote on 12/19/09 7:34 AM: > > > One would have to rely on the manufacturer's reputation in > > general. > > That's true, as is the nature and true value of the warranty (a 5-year > warranty isn't necessarily worth more than a 3-year warranty -- in fact, it > may be worth less -- if the vendor imposes burdensome requirements on the > user to exercise the warranty), and, of course, the health of the vendor > (will the vendor still be in business when and if I need to exercise the > warranty?). ....neither of which has *ever* been the case for me with Seagate. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: Jolly Roger on 20 Dec 2009 11:19
In article <C7526F7B.4DDEF%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > In article jollyroger-E47BF6.20474318122009(a)news.individual.net, Jolly Roger > at jollyroger(a)pobox.com wrote on 12/18/09 9:47 PM: > > > In article <1jay228.1b7hnm917gyvuoN%dcohenspam(a)talktalk.net>, > > dcohenspam(a)talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) wrote: > > > ... > ... > > >> ... But, as someone else has pointed out, if things > >> go wrong, one has to work out whether it is the drive or the enclosure. > >> .... > > > > That's fairly simple to figure out. And, again, with a separately > > purchased enclosure, you know what you are getting. > > Do you really? Or is it a false sense of knowing? I know the name brand and model of hard drive I'm getting when I purchase the drive and enclosure separately. You don't have that luxury with an all-in-one package. > > With an all-in-one, > > who knows whether the power supply, fan, I/O interface, will be of good > > quality. > > I have no clue whether the power supply, fan, etc., etc. that's in my > Seagate Barracuda is any better or worse than the power supply, fan, etc., > etc. that's in my LaCie d2 Quadra. That's my point. > As I said earlier: > > 1. If you do enough homework, you always can determine what boxes are in the > box you're buying, before you buy it. To me, it seems a company like LaCie would not be as willing to divulge the make and model of internal components in their all-in-one solutions. On the other hand, a company selling just the empty enclosure would do well to realize their customers will be more focussed on the quality of the enclosure itself, and may be more willing to divulge that information. > 2. The quality of whatever you buy depends not only the upon the vendor -- > be it a manufacturer or assembler -- but upon the vendor's vendors and > suppliers. Definitely. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR |