Why Pendulum as a clock do not shows, what General Theory of Relativity predicts?
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From: Uncle Al on 28 Nov 2009 19:10 Enes wrote: > > On 28 Lis, 20:54, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > > Enes wrote: > > > > > Which clock is good to measure time? > > > Does it depends of time only and not of gravity? > > > > Use a clock (an accurate clock) where orientation does not > > matter. Space based atomic clocks come to mind. > > > > See: Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks > > http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.... > > Let it be, that atomic clock not depends of gravity, measures time > only. > > How can it measures different time in different gravity? <http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html> <http://unusedcycles.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/physics-of-gps-relativistic-time-delay/> Relativistic effects on orbital clocks -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
From: BURT on 28 Nov 2009 19:31 On Nov 28, 4:10 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote: > Enes wrote: > > > On 28 Lis, 20:54, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > > > Enes wrote: > > > > > Which clock is good to measure time? > > > > Does it depends of time only and not of gravity? > > > > Use a clock (an accurate clock) where orientation does not > > > matter. Space based atomic clocks come to mind. > > > > See: Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks > > > http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.... > > > Let it be, that atomic clock not depends of gravity, measures time > > only. > > > How can it measures different time in different gravity? > > <http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.....> > <http://unusedcycles.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/physics-of-gps-relativis...> > Relativistic effects on orbital clocks > > -- > Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ > (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Time and aether are absolute in their slowing. The pendulum falls in its swing but has full weight. Mitch Raemsch
From: Jerry on 28 Nov 2009 19:37 On Nov 28, 2:05 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum > > You can see and hear as it works: > tik...tak, tik..tak, tik..tak (in polish !) > > When there is less gravitation: > tiiiiik..........taaak, tiiiiik..........taaak.... > > The time is quite different, than GR predicts. > Why? Pendulum clocks have a Newtonian dependence on the strength of gravity which is vastly greater in magnitude than the magnitude of the relativistic time dilation effect. Newtonian mechanics tells us that the frequency of a pendulum is directly proportional to the square root of the strength of gravity, and inversely proportional to the square root of its length. The effects of relativistic time dilation are far, far tinier than this. You can no more measure the effects of relativistic time dilation using a pendulum clock, than you can measure the weight of a feather using a truck scale. To detect gravitational time dilation, you need to use a precise and accurate clock whose frequency has no Newtonian dependence on the strength of gravity. Jerry
From: BURT on 28 Nov 2009 19:43 On Nov 28, 4:37 pm, Jerry <Cephalobus_alie...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Nov 28, 2:05 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum > > > You can see and hear as it works: > > tik...tak, tik..tak, tik..tak (in polish !) > > > When there is less gravitation: > > tiiiiik..........taaak, tiiiiik..........taaak.... > > > The time is quite different, than GR predicts. > > Why? > > Pendulum clocks have a Newtonian dependence on the strength of > gravity which is vastly greater in magnitude than the magnitude > of the relativistic time dilation effect. > > Newtonian mechanics tells us that the frequency of a pendulum is > directly proportional to the square root of the strength of > gravity, and inversely proportional to the square root of its > length. The effects of relativistic time dilation are far, far > tinier than this. > > You can no more measure the effects of relativistic time dilation > using a pendulum clock, than you can measure the weight of a > feather using a truck scale. > > To detect gravitational time dilation, you need to use a precise > and accurate clock whose frequency has no Newtonian dependence on > the strength of gravity. > > Jerry Gravity is the one force with a time of its own. The other time is motion or energy flow aether rate. There are Two Times or two aether rates. Mitch Raemsch
From: Enes on 29 Nov 2009 04:06
On 29 Lis, 01:37, Jerry <Cephalobus_alie...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Nov 28, 2:05 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum > > > You can see and hear as it works: > > tik...tak, tik..tak, tik..tak (in polish !) > > > When there is less gravitation: > > tiiiiik..........taaak, tiiiiik..........taaak.... > > > The time is quite different, than GR predicts. > > Why? > > Pendulum clocks have a Newtonian dependence on the strength of > gravity which is vastly greater in magnitude than the magnitude > of the relativistic time dilation effect. > > Newtonian mechanics tells us that the frequency of a pendulum is > directly proportional to the square root of the strength of > gravity, and inversely proportional to the square root of its > length. The effects of relativistic time dilation are far, far > tinier than this. > > You can no more measure the effects of relativistic time dilation > using a pendulum clock, than you can measure the weight of a > feather using a truck scale. > > To detect gravitational time dilation, you need to use a precise > and accurate clock whose frequency has no Newtonian dependence on > the strength of gravity. > > Jerry Jerry, I do not want measure time dilation using pendulum clock, but try to show, that it runs quite vice versa using GR predictions. Read, try to understad and count: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation " Clocks which are far from massive bodies (or at higher gravitational potentials) run faster, and clocks close to massive bodies (or at lower gravitational potentials) run slower." It is not true, becouse: Pendulum clocks which are far from masisive bodies run slower, and pendulum clocks close to massive bodies run faster." Do you understand now? |