Why is humanity so corrupt?
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From: BradGuth on 18 Dec 2009 13:29 On Dec 16, 2:53 am, spiritual energy <solidst...(a)rocketmail.com> wrote: > In another forum some teenage kid asked the question: Why is humanity > really so corrupt? > > Several nice responses were generated to this question: > > 1. People wanna be on top at all costs > > 2. Maybe because we were made by microsoft. But honestly its becuase > of Darwin's theory of evolution, where everything is based on > SURVIVAL > OF THE FITTEST (also called natural selection). We have traits that > are required for our species to survive. > > 3. I guess it is because we see ourselves as creatures of free will, > we were taught this all our lives, and still the human race can not > escape the fact that we are animals, and as all other animals we have > the same basic instincts and desires. > > Sadly we are also able to think of ways to get to what we desire, > morals and ethics are taught by the place we stem from in the world, > but they do not replace the basic instrincts, when these collide > morals and ethics have a high chance of getting the boot. > > Oh on top of that we have to remember genetic imperfections insanity > and personality disorderes, these are usually partly genetical (to > say > the least). ALOT of people have mental problems, these come in a wide > array and are rarely purely negative tho. > > Last but not least... Humans are far from as Intelligent as they think > they are, if you try to study them, and their behavior it shows quite > fast, the > Human mind is lacking! It can not comprehend alot of "wrongs". It has > rarely foresight, humans are stupid by nature, they really are. > > 4. I don't think that humans are inherently self-destructive. But I > would see SOME possible merit in the idea that we're "too smart for > our own good". More specifically, in the idea that our technological > development has so immensely exceeded any changes to US. > > Humans have changed very little over the many thousands of years. > We're essentially the same as the people who hunted woolly mammoths > and wrote on ancient cave walls. But the way we innovate > technologically and utilize the stored knowledge of past generations > has recently led to an INSANE amount of technological innovation that > has drastically changed the way people live. And the result is this > kind of disconnect between what we are, and the world in which we > have > built for ourselves. Many of us still think as if we were living in > early history, except that instead of spears and rocks we have AK-47s > and atomic bombs. > > Luckily we are a highly adaptable species, so we adapted to live as > things changed at an insanely fast rate. But adapting to a new > environment doesn't really make us different people. I think that > today's racist is someone who (in a long gone time) may have been > praised by his tribe for mercilessly defending the tribe against > outsiders. But the same attitudes that worked thousands of years ago > in a small tribal setting may not work so well in a huge society such > as the ones we have today. The racist is exercising a totally natural > need to hate "the other guy". He simply has just failed to adapt his > concept of "the other guy" to fit in with modern society. > > Have you ever read David Wong's article about "The Monkeysphere"? > Well, I think that a lot of that is going on. We simply were NOT > mentally designed to live in societies consisting of millions of > people. Or god forbid, a global society of six billion people. We're > still slaves to our biology, and our biology sort of directs us to > seek out small groups. Once we have to start dealing with thousands > of > strangers on a daily basis, we sort of just go a little bit insane. > It's just that some people handle this insanity better than others. > Some people get stressed out and relieve their stress by shooting > people in a videogame, while others dress up in hoods and go out to > kill blacks and gays. "Why is humanity so corrupt?" Religion and politics that fails to police their own kind, or rather has a policy of not policing their own kind. ~ BG ..
From: Benj on 19 Dec 2009 05:21 On Dec 18, 1:29 pm, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "Why is humanity so corrupt?" > > Religion and politics that fails to police their own kind, or rather > has a policy of not policing their own kind. Interesting and valid question. And Brad even hints as the correct answer, though the question of "policing" isn't really relevant. The question of "policing" has to do with forcing people to behave as you want them to rather than as they naturally would. So if we ask why is humanity so "corrupt" FIRST we must actually define what we mean by that and next we must ask if indeed humanity actually is "corrupt". We can assume several things here. One is that by "corrupt" we mean behaves in certain ways in their dealings with life. And we can assume that the universe is governed by certain principles or equations or law that determine the structure of ALL things including behavior of species. Animals we know behave in certain ways. They kill to survive. If they want something they take it. If you threaten them they kill you. If you represent an advantage (a good meal) they kill you and eat you. If they are strong enough to beat out all other suitors they pick the mates they want. They defend their territory over other intruders and the intruders try to steal the territory for themselves. It's a big "might makes right'" system that we've codified and enshrined as the "theory of evolution". [often referred to these days as the "fact" of evolution for political purposes] Some say that behavior comes from animal instinct, or survival desire, or simply because it happened by chance and all other systems were unworkable and therefore disappeared. What is clear, based upon our assumption is that all this is determined by the laws of nature and that even the workings of "evolution" are determined by those at the fundamental level. Humans have an animal heritage. We don't have to say that humans "evolved" from animals to say that. We know from our DNA that even if we were seeded here after being created in an alien genetics laboratory, the heritage is still present. So naturally one can see a propensity toward animal behavior. But there is another side to the coin. In fact it is the side that raised the original question in the first place. Note that if animal behavior were "normal" it wouldn't be called "corruption". It would simply be called rules of life! The other side of the coin is what we shall term "revelation of advanced science". Religion is pretty much based on this. At some point, someone or something demonstrated abilities so advanced that the humans around them were mightily impressed! They were so impressed they formed it into a religion even if they didn't understand it. And oddly, all these revelations seem to be singing the same song! The song is one that opposes animal behavior. It's what we now term ethics and morality. Since this has been taught as religion the reasoning behind it showing the behavior to be desirable hasn't been explained. But one must have the presumption (based upon the advanced effects demonstrated at the time of the revelation) there is an advanced understanding of the laws of nature behind it that reveals that animal behavior is somehow self-destructive. The universal laws alleged to be operative are things like Karma, polarity, and higher dimensions. The concept is best summarized in a generalization of Newton's laws. Karma is really a statement that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The idea is that if you kill your neighbors, that the act somehow goes into time and eventually returns as some kind of negative reaction. You love your enemies and Lo somehow it returns to you as something positive. The law that events proceed in a straight line unless deflected by a force is really a statement that mankind can deflect events by his will. And the amount of deflection is proportional to the amount of will. So now we again ask the question: Why are humans so corrupt? The answer is: 1. they are ignorant of higher laws of nature and thus see immediate advantage as positive gain and ignore the law that reaction is inevitable. 2. they follow their animal heritage without giving the slightest thought or effort (will) to trying to discover is there might be a more advantageous behavior that is better in the long run. 3. Even if they ponder higher laws, as herd animals they tend not to resist the tendency to go along with animal behavior even if they have your doubts about it. Monkey see. Monkey do. "But mom! Everybody is doing it!" 4. Given that the demonstrations that created the belief that initiated religions are now long gone, there is no way that the principles revealed can be shown to be advanced or even true without a lot of self experimentation which nobody wants to bother with. Hence humans are so corrupt because they don't know better and because such seems the path of lest resistance in life even if in the long run it may actually be self-destructive.
From: jmfbahciv on 19 Dec 2009 09:52 Raymond Yohros wrote: > On Dec 16, 2:29 pm, spiritual energy <solidst...(a)rocketmail.com> > wrote: >> No matter what we try to do..people will always be selfish - its the >> human nature and it keeps us alive. Humans are driven by self >> interest, and when that self interest conflicts with another, that's >> when conflicts happen. >> >> I can start a huge discussion about everything that is corrupt in our >> society- war, primitive beliefs (racism, sexism, discrimination...), >> mentel illnesses, pride, inability of some people to find a loving >> partner... the point is no matter what u do people are all selfish. We >> all care about ourselves MORE than about others and we all ruin our >> society. >> > > why are you posting all this bullshit here? <snip> It demonstrates the answer to the question. The number of people who are willfully stupid, ignorant and ineducable is increasing exponentially. That allows the corruption to be unchecked in all areas of society and trade. /BAH
From: Uncle Al on 19 Dec 2009 10:53 jmfbahciv wrote: > > Raymond Yohros wrote: > > On Dec 16, 2:29 pm, spiritual energy <solidst...(a)rocketmail.com> > > wrote: > >> No matter what we try to do..people will always be selfish - its the > >> human nature and it keeps us alive. Humans are driven by self > >> interest, and when that self interest conflicts with another, that's > >> when conflicts happen. > >> > >> I can start a huge discussion about everything that is corrupt in our > >> society- war, primitive beliefs (racism, sexism, discrimination...), > >> mentel illnesses, pride, inability of some people to find a loving > >> partner... the point is no matter what u do people are all selfish. We > >> all care about ourselves MORE than about others and we all ruin our > >> society. > >> > > > > why are you posting all this bullshit here? > > <snip> > > It demonstrates the answer to the question. The number of > people who are willfully stupid, ignorant and ineducable > is increasing exponentially. That allows the corruption > to be unchecked in all areas of society and trade. > > /BAH This Saturday's "Los Angeles Times," front page, "L.A.'s hands not on Deck." To shore up a disintegrated multi-$billion city budget (and offer a lot of Brown friends access to the pig trough) 3000 Baby Boomers were offered early retirement - fat bonus and full pensions up to five years early. That purged White boys and girls from Los Angeles city employment, starting with most senior positions and working down to librarians, 9% of overall employ going hasta la bye-bye. Somebodies discovered the remaining 91% are remarkably incompentent. "remaining employees won't receive training needed to keep city departments running." The folks Officially doing the work cannot be trained to do their jobs absent the folks who really did them. One might wonder whether this is the New Orleans model, wherein 1/3 the police force was fictional (and drawing massive overtime). Hell, it's nothing a lot of cumshaw can't patch on a daily basis (the Chicago model). Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigoso (you pronounce it) is already making noises about "reform." Hey Mayor, the economic path to reform is to present you with a gibbet, a hempen rope, and a personal training demonstration. Be elevated. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
From: RichD on 19 Dec 2009 16:05
On Dec 19, Uncle Al <the kiddies' pal> wrote: > > The number of > > people who are willfully stupid, ignorant and ineducable > > is increasing exponentially. That allows the corruption > > to be unchecked in all areas of society and trade. > > This Saturday's "Los Angeles Times," front page, "L.A.'s hands > not on Deck." To shore up a disintegrated multi-$billion > city budget (and offer a lot of Brown friends access to the > pig trough) 3000 Baby Boomers were offered early retirement - fat > bonus and full pensions up to five years early. > 9% of overall employ going hasta la bye-bye. > > Somebodies discovered the remaining 91% are remarkably > incompentent. "remaining employees won't receive training > needed to keep city departments running." The folks Officially > doing the work cannot be trained to do their jobs absent the > folks who really did them. > > Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigoso (you pronounce it) > is already making noises about "reform." There was a Wash. Post headline a few months ago, amidst a dispute over school vouchers (the juvenile detention center guards, er I mean the teachers, union opposes them): "Poor children learn, teachers union upset" -- Rich |