From: Phil Hobbs on 12 Jul 2010 11:31 Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: > > > Phil Hobbs wrote: > >> Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: > >>> There is no physical laws of "conservation of ...". >>> There are, however, artificially designed parameters such as >>> "energy", "charge", "momentum", etc. Those parameters are *defined* >>> in such way that their value is preserved through certain >>> transformations of a physical system. The only purpose of this is >>> simplification of math; so it is possible to balance the states of a >>> system instead of solving differential equations. >>> >>> >> You must be a software guy originally. Conservation laws are >> mathematical expressions of the basic symmetries of all physical >> processes. If that weren't the case, you couldn't make up things that >> were conserved, except trivial ones, like velocity to the zeroth power. > > Dr. Phil Hobbs, I have to send you back to the course of physics by R. > Feynman. You definitely need a refresher on the basics. > Where I come from, we know a trick worth two of that one. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal ElectroOptical Innovations 55 Orchard Rd Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
From: m II on 12 Jul 2010 11:36 John Larkin wrote: > Clip, belt, magazine, doesn't matter: any name, or its German > equivalent, would be equally effective. Ah..the old 'nomenclature' defense! <g> bismarck mike
From: o pere o on 12 Jul 2010 11:56 George Herold wrote: <snip> > > You don't need Hobbs or Hill high power thought, this is simple > freshman physics. Energy conservation and charge conservation are > always true. In the above case the total charge in the system is near > zero and doesn't change with time. There is charge separation in the > cap and charge motion in the inductor, both store energy. > > George H. > Absolutely right. In the circuit involved charge conservation is only used to write Kirchoff Current Laws. For any two terminal device, this means than a charge q1 flowing into terminal 1 is equal to the same amount of charge q1 flowing out of terminal 2. It may seem funny, but a capacitor does not store (net) charge. As soon as both "charged" are connected in series, some positive charges are annihilated by the same amount of negative charges, leaving the same net balance, i.e. zero. Pere
From: John Larkin on 12 Jul 2010 11:57 On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:36:07 -0600, m II <c(a)in.the.hat> wrote: >John Larkin wrote: > >> Clip, belt, magazine, doesn't matter: any name, or its German >> equivalent, would be equally effective. > > >Ah..the old 'nomenclature' defense! <g> > > >bismarck mike For people who like guns and electronics, read "The Deadly Fuse" by Baldwin. John
From: Vladimir Vassilevsky on 12 Jul 2010 12:05
Phil Hobbs wrote: > Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: > >> >> >> Phil Hobbs wrote: >> >>> Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: >> >> >>>> There is no physical laws of "conservation of ...". >>>> There are, however, artificially designed parameters such as >>>> "energy", "charge", "momentum", etc. Those parameters are *defined* >>>> in such way that their value is preserved through certain >>>> transformations of a physical system. The only purpose of this is >>>> simplification of math; so it is possible to balance the states of a >>>> system instead of solving differential equations. >>>> >>>> >>> You must be a software guy originally. Conservation laws are >>> mathematical expressions of the basic symmetries of all physical >>> processes. If that weren't the case, you couldn't make up things >>> that were conserved, except trivial ones, like velocity to the zeroth >>> power. >> >> >> Dr. Phil Hobbs, I have to send you back to the course of physics by R. >> Feynman. You definitely need a refresher on the basics. >> > > Where I come from, we know a trick worth two of that one. Sure. "I came from MIPT; they don't keep idiots there". VLV |