From: JosephKK on
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:24:53 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 22:53:46 -0700,
>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:05:34 +0100, John Devereux <john(a)devereux.me.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> In the next few days, when I have time, I will issue a mathematical
>>>> proof that Larkin is totally wrong. Watch for it ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Why haven't Win Hill and Phil Hobbs come to Larkin's defense?
>>>>
>>>> Bwahahahaha!
>>>
>>>I'm no Phil Hobbs, but isn't all this argument because we are conflating
>>>two different usages of "charge"?
>>>
>>>The "charge" on a capacitor, as somone pointed out already, is really
>>>charge *separation* (dilectric polarization). The Q=CV refers to a
>>>*separation* of charge, not an absolute quantity. The "absolute" charge
>>>- the total number of electrons minus the number of protons - is
>>>normally low or zero. Unless your whole circuit picks up an
>>>electrostatic charge from somewhere else. It is this "absolute" charge
>>>which is conserved, the "Q=CV" "charge" of normal electronics is
>>>not. Take a solar cell charging a battery for one obvious example. As
>>>Larkin would say, where did the charge come from? Photons don't carry
>>>charge!
>>
>>Gosh, in all the semiconductor physics i have seen it is "pair
>>generation". No net charge change involved.
>
>Sonnova gun! Who would have thunked it ?:-)

Neudeck and Pierret for one reasonably good set of texts. About 12 thin
very difficult volumes IIRC. I only have the first 4.

>
> ...Jim Thompson
From: UpYerNose on
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:16:57 -0600, m II <c(a)in.the.hat> wrote:

> Anyone with 90+ Usenet identities has
>ISSUES. Let us pray..


Actually, anyone that has issues with the number of nyms another person
uses, has issues.

You do not need prayer, you need a rubber room to accommodate you until
you go back into the Earth.
From: o pere o on
George Jefferson wrote:
>
>
> "o pere o" <me(a)somewhere.net> wrote in message
> news:i1fdvr$brn$1(a)speranza.aioe.org...
>> George Herold wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>>
>>> You don't need Hobbs or Hill high power thought, this is simple
>>> freshman physics. Energy conservation and charge conservation are
>>> always true. In the above case the total charge in the system is near
>>> zero and doesn't change with time. There is charge separation in the
>>> cap and charge motion in the inductor, both store energy.
>>>
>>> George H.
>>>
>>
>> Absolutely right. In the circuit involved charge conservation is only
>> used to write Kirchoff Current Laws. For any two terminal device, this
>> means than a charge q1 flowing into terminal 1 is equal to the same
>> amount of charge q1 flowing out of terminal 2. It may seem funny, but
>> a capacitor does not store (net) charge.
>>
>> As soon as both "charged" are connected in series, some positive
>> charges are annihilated by the same amount of negative charges,
>> leaving the same net balance, i.e. zero.
>>
>
> hahaha... hillarious! The + charges anhillate the - charges? So why
> doesn't this happen in atoms? Why do we even have charge in the first
> place?

It was a bad word choice, but at least was correctly spelled. Or perhaps
this is new material for some of our readers: a negative charge (+1
electron) is certainly "compensated" (insert your favorite synonym here)
by a positive charge (-1 electron). Go figure!

Pere

> Where did the mass go? you do remember that those pesky electrons and
> protons have mass? When they are "anihillated" do they become newtrons?
From: John Fields on
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:40:18 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:33:05 -0700, UltimatePatriot
><UltimatePatriot(a)thebestcountry.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:49:03 -0700, Fred Abse
>><excretatauris(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>The link I quoted explains the difference.
>>>
>>
>> Ding!
>>
>> Good way to get killed.
>>
>> Always count your shots and stop short of the last one, and reload
>>*without* the telltale fling-and-ring.
>
>Voice of experience. How many real life-and-death firefights have you
>been in? Paintball doesn't count.

---
Something you know nothing about, so you have to pick a fight?

From: John Larkin on
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:53:20 -0700, UpYerNose
<UpYerNose(a)witarubbahose.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:16:57 -0600, m II <c(a)in.the.hat> wrote:
>
>> Anyone with 90+ Usenet identities has
>>ISSUES. Let us pray..
>
>
> Actually, anyone that has issues with the number of nyms another person
>uses, has issues.

Anyone who won't use his real name, and pretends to all sorts of
superhero identities, is both juvenile and cowardly.

John