From: D.J. on
On 25 May 2010 15:11:16 GMT, ray <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:09:48 -0500, Rich wrote:
>
>> ray <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote in news:85vqsiFe87U4(a)mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:08:00 -0700, Rich wrote:
>>>
>>>> Then you are an idiot.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nikoncircular.com/
>>>
>>> Not familiar with the gentleman - is he a camera expert?
>>>
>>>
>> As much as any P&Shooter is.
>
>Damn - I did not realize one had to use a dslr in order to be at all
>knowledgeable.

The converse however is true. I'd like to see any DSLR owner master all the
controls and commands available to any CHDK enabled P&S camera in less than
three months.

http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_User_Manual
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/UBASIC/TutorialScratchpad
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/LUA#Lua_Scripting_language_for_CHDK
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/PropertyCase

Mind you, these are additional to all the controls that are already
available in these cameras, most all of them with full manual control as
well. If not, then CHDK gives them full manual control anyway.

I doubt they'd even know how to use the available RGGB curves editor for
CHDK to create custom color-balance/luminance curves for their camera.
That's relatively simple compared to all the other things that these P&S
cameras can do.

From: ray on
On Tue, 25 May 2010 10:29:35 -0500, D.J. wrote:

> On 25 May 2010 15:11:16 GMT, ray <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:09:48 -0500, Rich wrote:
>>
>>> ray <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote in news:85vqsiFe87U4(a)mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:08:00 -0700, Rich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Then you are an idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nikoncircular.com/
>>>>
>>>> Not familiar with the gentleman - is he a camera expert?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> As much as any P&Shooter is.
>>
>>Damn - I did not realize one had to use a dslr in order to be at all
>>knowledgeable.
>
> The converse however is true. I'd like to see any DSLR owner master all
> the controls and commands available to any CHDK enabled P&S camera in
> less than three months.
>
> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_User_Manual
> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/UBASIC/TutorialScratchpad
> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/LUA#Lua_Scripting_language_for_CHDK
> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/PropertyCase
>
> Mind you, these are additional to all the controls that are already
> available in these cameras, most all of them with full manual control as
> well. If not, then CHDK gives them full manual control anyway.
>
> I doubt they'd even know how to use the available RGGB curves editor for
> CHDK to create custom color-balance/luminance curves for their camera.
> That's relatively simple compared to all the other things that these P&S
> cameras can do.

At this point, I'm not convinced it's a great idea to get a camera that
won't work decently without 3rd party firmware.
From: D.J. on
On 25 May 2010 15:41:58 GMT, ray <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 25 May 2010 10:29:35 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>
>> On 25 May 2010 15:11:16 GMT, ray <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 24 May 2010 16:09:48 -0500, Rich wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote in news:85vqsiFe87U4(a)mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:08:00 -0700, Rich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you are an idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nikoncircular.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Not familiar with the gentleman - is he a camera expert?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> As much as any P&Shooter is.
>>>
>>>Damn - I did not realize one had to use a dslr in order to be at all
>>>knowledgeable.
>>
>> The converse however is true. I'd like to see any DSLR owner master all
>> the controls and commands available to any CHDK enabled P&S camera in
>> less than three months.
>>
>> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_User_Manual
>> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/UBASIC/TutorialScratchpad
>> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/LUA#Lua_Scripting_language_for_CHDK
>> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/PropertyCase
>>
>> Mind you, these are additional to all the controls that are already
>> available in these cameras, most all of them with full manual control as
>> well. If not, then CHDK gives them full manual control anyway.
>>
>> I doubt they'd even know how to use the available RGGB curves editor for
>> CHDK to create custom color-balance/luminance curves for their camera.
>> That's relatively simple compared to all the other things that these P&S
>> cameras can do.
>
>At this point, I'm not convinced it's a great idea to get a camera that
>won't work decently without 3rd party firmware.

I guess that depends on your definition of "decently". All these camera
models sell fine to thousands of people without CHDK. Many of them even
surpass the image quality coming from DSLRs these days. Some even rival the
image quality of a medium-format Hasselblad.They work decently, or they
wouldn't sell. CHDK just makes them more decent. Even more decent than any
DSLR on earth.

That's why there's a whole section at the CHDK forum of DSLR owners who are
desperately trying to find ways to get just a minor subset of CHDK's
functionality ported into their own cameras. But then, these functions are
only of interest to very advanced and highly creative photographers. I
doubt they'd interest you very much.




From: Mxsmanic on
David J Taylor writes:

> "Image blocked by Ad Block Plus" - or words to that effect....

Those are the kind I find most tolerable.
From: Mxsmanic on
whisky-dave writes:

> Google is one of the biggest businesses on the planet does it sell products
> or services, does it manufacture anything ?

It's just riding a wave.