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From: Lee Sau Dan on 9 Dec 2005 12:33 >>>>> "Tobias" == Tobias Brox <tobias(a)stud.cs.uit.no> writes: Tobias> [blmblm(a)myrealbox.com] >> That's what I generally assume too, but I vaguely remember >> hearing about a study Apple conducted many years ago that >> demonstrated that people *think* a CLI is faster, but if you do >> actual measurements of how long tasks take, it turns out the >> point and click is as fast or faster. No, I don't (want to) >> believe it, but it could be true?? Tobias> I wouldn't entirely trust Apple in this case; you could Tobias> conclude anything dependent on how the study is conducted. Tobias> I doubt they have used tab-completion, interactive history Tobias> search and scripting. I also doubt they have studied Tobias> cases where the user wants to do something that is not Tobias> entirely covered by the GUI, causing the user to do Tobias> repetive and tedious work. Yeah. Such as perform "rm abc*test*.o" in a directory with 100s of files. -- Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´° ~{@nJX6X~} E-mail: danlee(a)informatik.uni-freiburg.de Home page: http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee
From: Lee Sau Dan on 9 Dec 2005 12:36 >>>>> "Peter" == Peter T Breuer <ptb(a)oboe.it.uc3m.es> writes: >> Up till now, Peter's arguments are still unconvincing. He >> isn't even clear whether his checkboxes are to be ANDed or ORed >> together, or Peter> Why should I be clear! (although I am perfectly clear!) It Peter> is not my job to flesh out my intuition for you! And I tell you that your intuition is what it is: intuitive and naive. Not practical. >> XORed? or NORed? He has no clear idea of the semantics of his >> GUI Peter> I have a perfectly clear idea, But have been failing to express it. Peter> thank you, abslutely suitable for my purposes. Would you Peter> please go speak for yourself. Thanks. Myself? I say that your design is impractical and difficult to use. -- Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´° ~{@nJX6X~} E-mail: danlee(a)informatik.uni-freiburg.de Home page: http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee
From: Lee Sau Dan on 9 Dec 2005 12:41 >>>>> "blmblm" == blmblm <blmblm(a)myrealbox.com> writes: blmblm> Good for you -- and you do seem to be fluent with written blmblm> English. (When you say "learnt at school" -- starting blmblm> when? Kindergarten. blmblm> if early enough, it's not a good experiment in learning blmblm> languages as an adult.) I started learning German at 28. Is that old enough? blmblm> But my experience has been that many people whose first blmblm> language is Chinese are not so fluent. Maybe it's just blmblm> that they're not trying as hard, Many don't bother to do it well. They stop caring about perfecting it or even just brushing it up once they've passed the point that they're able to communicate. So, these people will never get rid of their strange accent. It's this attitude that prevents their English from improving. blmblm> or maybe there's just more individual variation than blmblm> either of us had suspected? Attitude varies from individual to individual. So, yes, it's individual variation. But I don't think I'm talented. I couldn't understand spoken English (general context at normal speed; not just tourist English spoken slowly) nor write easily English until I had to: English was the medium of instruction in my secondary school (and all my post-secondary education). I was essentially monolingual before 12. -- Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´° ~{@nJX6X~} E-mail: danlee(a)informatik.uni-freiburg.de Home page: http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee
From: Lee Sau Dan on 9 Dec 2005 12:46 >>>>> "blmblm" == blmblm <blmblm(a)myrealbox.com> writes: blmblm> Reviewing your examples .... Once you have the symbol and blmblm> the meaning, okay, the association can seem plausible. blmblm> I'm skeptical that if you have only the symbols you can blmblm> guess the meaning. Why should "two women under one roof" blmblm> mean "trouble" rather than, say, "polygamy", or blmblm> "sisterhood", or ....? Indeed, I have no idea which character he's describing. The description is so confusing. Peter, can you give me its unicode? blmblm> I don't have a clue what "man next to an open doorway" blmblm> might mean. I don't even know which character he's talking about. Maybe what he describes as a "doorway" is something that most Chinese won't recognize as a doorway. Peter, what's its unicode? blmblm> Maybe one gets better at guessing meanings with practice, blmblm> or maybe my brain's just not wired in the way it would blmblm> need to be for this to be easy. Neither can I figure out what those characters are, given his vague description which includes his own interpretations and imaginations. -- Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´° ~{@nJX6X~} E-mail: danlee(a)informatik.uni-freiburg.de Home page: http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee
From: Lee Sau Dan on 9 Dec 2005 12:48
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter T Breuer <ptb(a)oboe.it.uc3m.es> writes: Peter> In comp.os.linux.misc Lee Sau Dan Peter> <danlee(a)informatik.uni-freiburg.de> wrote: >>>>>>> "Peter" == Peter T Breuer <ptb(a)oboe.it.uc3m.es> writes: Peter> Of course not. I wish you would stop "arguing" in Peter> non-sequiturs! No "computation" takes place in the human, Peter> simply selection from a check-list. >> Show me your GUI that allows me to express: >> (A and B and C and D) Peter> Chose A. Choose Again. Unclick A, click B. Choose Peter> Again. ... >> and later extend the query to >> (A and B and C and D) or E Peter> Repeat the construction. This time also check E in every Peter> panel. So, I have to check E for all 4 panels? What if it were 10 terms in with the brackets? Do I need to check E in each of the 10 panels? I can't see how such a GUI is easier or faster to use. And what happens if E isn't an atomic predicate, but a Boolean expression? >> Show me your GUI, which you claimed was "trivial" to develop. Peter> Idiot. Peter> Peter Nice signature. -- Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´° ~{@nJX6X~} E-mail: danlee(a)informatik.uni-freiburg.de Home page: http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee |