From: sobriquet on
On 20 jun, 03:37, George Kerby <ghost_top...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/19/10 6:56 PM, in article
> 2010061916560844303-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
>
>
>
>
>
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > On 2010-06-19 16:26:52 -0700, George Kerby <ghost_top...(a)hotmail.com> said:
>
> >> On 6/19/10 11:53 AM, in article
> >> 2010061909533922503-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
> >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On 2010-06-19 09:46:24 -0700, George Kerby <ghost_top...(a)hotmail.com> said:
>
> >>>> On 6/19/10 10:28 AM, in article
> >>>> 2010061908283084492-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
> >>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 2010-06-19 03:41:54 -0700, sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> said:
>
> >>>>>> *************************************************************************
> >>>>>> **
> >>>>>> **
> >>>>>> By reading and/or replying to this usenet posting, you acknowledge
> >>>>>> that you have read, understood and accepted the terms and conditions
> >>>>>> found at:
>
> >>>>>>http://www.ibbu.nl/~nsprakel/eula.txt
>
> >>>> ***************************************************************************
> >>>> **
>
> >>>> *
>
> >>>>> Nick Sprakel remains a cyber-thief, no matter how much he protests.
> >>>>> ...and he cannot find his way out of that basement.
>
> >>>>> <http://picasaweb.google.com/THCganja/Various#5244910721929976050>
> >>>>> <http://picasaweb.google.com/dohduhdah/Experimenteel#5282010159386521810
>
> >>>>> I await the nazi name calling so we can invoke Godwin.
>
> >>>> Gawdamit! Are those creatures still alive?!?
>
> >>>> Looks like rigor mortis had set in...
>
> >>> He doesn't see much sunlight does he?
>
> >> Just occurred to me that it is one and the same. A Kafkian metamorphosis, of
> >> sorts.
>
> > A modern Nederlander version of Gregor, now there is food for thought.
> > When unable to meet family responsibility within the stresses of a
> > working life, Gregor becomes a metaphor for an ugly family burden
> > hidden in his bedroom.
> > They are finally released with his death.
>
> > ...yes I can see how the Metamorphasis analogy with Sobriquet/Nick is
>
> > very workable. There is probably a family dynamic which keeps him in
> > that cave.
>
> Not to mention the "cockroach" theme factor that he continually throws
> about.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
then you win.
Mohandas Gandhi
From: krishnananda on
In article
<dd43de38-2203-479f-8344-e7ebdbcad4b1(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> >And then against common sense I wrote:
> >
> > You have obviously never read the fine print at the UN's Universal
> > Declaration of Human Rights web site.
> >
> > For example, you are not permitted to:
> >
> > (c) Upload or attach files that contain software or other material
> > protected by intellectual property laws (or by rights of privacy and
> > publicity) unless the User owns or controls the rights thereto or has
> > received all consents therefor as may be required by law;
> >
> > http://www.un.org/en/aboutun/terms/
>
> Those terms and conditions are only applicable to the forum on the
> website of the UN and not to usenet.

In _your_ opinion, Boyo. Are you in fact an attorney? Of course not,
there seems to be no such thing as Dutch law...

What you missed, Dutch Boy, which is glaringly obvious to everyone else
in the world, is that the United Nations recognizes the existence of
intellectual property, and recognizes that law enforcement organizations
have the duty to enforce all copyright and I.P. laws internationally.

That leaves exactly no one who agrees with you.

No matter what you say when you stamp your little foot. No one cares
what your opinion^h^h^h^h^h^h^h fantasy world is.

By the way, when exactly did _I_ become a signatory to the UDHR -- and
more importantly when did _I_ agree that it addresses copyright and
intellectual property? Never. Because it doesn't, Chumley.

If you knew anything about the human rights world you'd know that little
things like genocide take precedence over your little desires to steal
documentaries on file sharing sites (yes, let's all remember the _real_
reason you post this shite).

Steal -- I suppose Amsterdam is full of book and music and video stores
that let you waltz out in your wooden shoes without paying for your
purchases?

I suppose Amazon.nl has no checkout system -- they just send you your
books, videos, CDs, etc. free of charge?

Is there _anything_ you are willing to pay for or are you entitled to
everything for free?

Big talk from a Dutchman who is *Subject* to the Monarch. Greetings from
a free citizen of a free country.

And before you reply, you AGREE TO THESE TERMS -- failure to do so will
result in a penalty of US$10,000.00 and imprisonment of not less than
ten years:

1. Holland sucks. Especially at soccer. And you agree not to call it
"Football"
2. People using the Usenet alias "sobriquet" are NOT permitted to quote
any of this message for any reason ever.
3. People who live under the thumb of an antiquated monarchy are in no
position to lecture those of us in the Free World on ANYTHING!
4. If you respond YOU AGREE NOT to include any verbiage which might be
misconstrued as a "disclaimer" or a "EULA" in your reply.

And have a wonderful day.
From: Tim Conway on

"sobriquet" <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:49e45353-aa20-4104-b34e-82848866c3f4(a)b35g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On 20 jun, 03:37, George Kerby <ghost_top...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 6/19/10 6:56 PM, in article
>> 2010061916560844303-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> > On 2010-06-19 16:26:52 -0700, George Kerby <ghost_top...(a)hotmail.com>
>> > said:
>>
>> >> On 6/19/10 11:53 AM, in article
>> >> 2010061909533922503-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
>> >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> On 2010-06-19 09:46:24 -0700, George Kerby <ghost_top...(a)hotmail.com>
>> >>> said:
>>
>> >>>> On 6/19/10 10:28 AM, in article
>> >>>> 2010061908283084492-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
>> >>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> On 2010-06-19 03:41:54 -0700, sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> said:
>>
>> >>>>>> *************************************************************************
>> >>>>>> **
>> >>>>>> **
>> >>>>>> By reading and/or replying to this usenet posting, you acknowledge
>> >>>>>> that you have read, understood and accepted the terms and
>> >>>>>> conditions
>> >>>>>> found at:
>>
>> >>>>>>http://www.ibbu.nl/~nsprakel/eula.txt
>>
>> >>>> ***************************************************************************
>> >>>> **
>>
>> >>>> *
>>
>> >>>>> Nick Sprakel remains a cyber-thief, no matter how much he protests.
>> >>>>> ...and he cannot find his way out of that basement.
>>
>> >>>>> <http://picasaweb.google.com/THCganja/Various#5244910721929976050>
>> >>>>> <http://picasaweb.google.com/dohduhdah/Experimenteel#5282010159386521810
>>
>> >>>>> I await the nazi name calling so we can invoke Godwin.
>>
>> >>>> Gawdamit! Are those creatures still alive?!?
>>
>> >>>> Looks like rigor mortis had set in...
>>
>> >>> He doesn't see much sunlight does he?
>>
>> >> Just occurred to me that it is one and the same. A Kafkian
>> >> metamorphosis, of
>> >> sorts.
>>
>> > A modern Nederlander version of Gregor, now there is food for thought.
>> > When unable to meet family responsibility within the stresses of a
>> > working life, Gregor becomes a metaphor for an ugly family burden
>> > hidden in his bedroom.
>> > They are finally released with his death.
>>
>> > ...yes I can see how the Metamorphasis analogy with Sobriquet/Nick is
>>
>> > very workable. There is probably a family dynamic which keeps him in
>> > that cave.
>>
>> Not to mention the "cockroach" theme factor that he continually throws
>> about.
>
> First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
> then you win.
> Mohandas Gandhi

and then again, you might just incur the wrath of every sane person around
you.

From: Dudley Hanks on

"krishnananda" <krishna(a)divine-life.in.invalid> wrote in message
news:krishna-A08E6A.21491219062010(a)reserved-multicast-range-NOT-delegated.example.com...
> In article
> <dd43de38-2203-479f-8344-e7ebdbcad4b1(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >And then against common sense I wrote:
>> >
>> > You have obviously never read the fine print at the UN's Universal
>> > Declaration of Human Rights web site.
>> >
>> > For example, you are not permitted to:
>> >
>> > (c) Upload or attach files that contain software or other material
>> > protected by intellectual property laws (or by rights of privacy and
>> > publicity) unless the User owns or controls the rights thereto or has
>> > received all consents therefor as may be required by law;
>> >
>> > http://www.un.org/en/aboutun/terms/
>>
>> Those terms and conditions are only applicable to the forum on the
>> website of the UN and not to usenet.
>
> In _your_ opinion, Boyo. Are you in fact an attorney? Of course not,
> there seems to be no such thing as Dutch law...
>
> What you missed, Dutch Boy, which is glaringly obvious to everyone else
> in the world, is that the United Nations recognizes the existence of
> intellectual property, and recognizes that law enforcement organizations
> have the duty to enforce all copyright and I.P. laws internationally.
>
> That leaves exactly no one who agrees with you.
>
> No matter what you say when you stamp your little foot. No one cares
> what your opinion^h^h^h^h^h^h^h fantasy world is.
>
> By the way, when exactly did _I_ become a signatory to the UDHR -- and
> more importantly when did _I_ agree that it addresses copyright and
> intellectual property? Never. Because it doesn't, Chumley.
>
> If you knew anything about the human rights world you'd know that little
> things like genocide take precedence over your little desires to steal
> documentaries on file sharing sites (yes, let's all remember the _real_
> reason you post this shite).
>
> Steal -- I suppose Amsterdam is full of book and music and video stores
> that let you waltz out in your wooden shoes without paying for your
> purchases?
>
> I suppose Amazon.nl has no checkout system -- they just send you your
> books, videos, CDs, etc. free of charge?
>
> Is there _anything_ you are willing to pay for or are you entitled to
> everything for free?
>
> Big talk from a Dutchman who is *Subject* to the Monarch. Greetings from
> a free citizen of a free country.
>
> And before you reply, you AGREE TO THESE TERMS -- failure to do so will
> result in a penalty of US$10,000.00 and imprisonment of not less than
> ten years:
>
> 1. Holland sucks. Especially at soccer. And you agree not to call it
> "Football"
> 2. People using the Usenet alias "sobriquet" are NOT permitted to quote
> any of this message for any reason ever.
> 3. People who live under the thumb of an antiquated monarchy are in no
> position to lecture those of us in the Free World on ANYTHING!
> 4. If you respond YOU AGREE NOT to include any verbiage which might be
> misconstrued as a "disclaimer" or a "EULA" in your reply.
>
> And have a wonderful day.

Of course, once an initial reply is made to the original message, all
subsequent replies would not be to the original. Hence, they would not be
bound by his original terms.

Not that the original terms would ever be considered valid...

Take Care,
Dudley


From: sobriquet on
On 20 jun, 02:48, John McWilliams <jp...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> Tim Conway wrote:
>
> > "sobriquet" <dohduh...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> > Except that article 29 isn't supposed to detract from article 19 in
> > any way.
> > This has been specifically stipulated in article 30.
>
> > and I suppose that says that thievery isn't thievery.  right?
> > BS
>
> You are arguing with a mission poster. Reason, cites, qoutes, links,
> nada: Nothing matters, except he'll post more. And more, and....
>
> --
> john mcwilliams

You are arguing with someone who has cultivated a mind of his own and
who doesn't buy into any spurious or misleading arguments or claims.

I'm critical, but open minded, so if anyone is able to demonstrate the
validity of their arguments and the inconsistencies in my arguments, I
would most likely abandon my own arguments in favor of adopting
theirs.

So far, nobody has made a convincing argument that information can be
taken away, much less be stolen and most people involved in this
discussion who attack my argument in favor of the freedom to share
information, fail to have a basic understanding of information
technology and its implications.