right handed neutrino
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From: Michael Moroney on 5 Apr 2010 13:35 BURT <macromitch(a)yahoo.com> writes: >> > Then how many degrees of freedom can the praticles spin have? >> > And does it have an orientation? >> >> One. Yes, though it can only be measured if energy degeneracy is >> removed by the application, say, of a magnetic field, which determines >> a direction. >Please explain what is spinning and how it is not a rotation. >How is the spin oriented? >Does it have infinite degrees of freedom and rotational speeds? Do you even read PD's responses that you quote? He wrote that nothing in QM "spin" spins or rotates the way an ice skater spins or rotates. And he already told you it has one degree of freedom, and the orientation is determined by the measurement (magnetic field or whatever). Follow his advice and call it "fernification" or whatever it was.
From: BURT on 5 Apr 2010 17:52 On Apr 5, 10:35 am, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> writes: > >> > Then how many degrees of freedom can the praticles spin have? > >> > And does it have an orientation? > > >> One. Yes, though it can only be measured if energy degeneracy is > >> removed by the application, say, of a magnetic field, which determines > >> a direction. > >Please explain what is spinning and how it is not a rotation. > >How is the spin oriented? > >Does it have infinite degrees of freedom and rotational speeds? > > Do you even read PD's responses that you quote? He wrote that nothing in > QM "spin" spins or rotates the way an ice skater spins or rotates. And he > already told you it has one degree of freedom, and the orientation is > determined by the measurement (magnetic field or whatever). > > Follow his advice and call it "fernification" or whatever it was. Spin is when radius of rotation speed changes sizes. A point particle can not. Therefore spin is the wrong concept to aply. Perhaps you can tell us what spin really is if not a changing size of rotation radius? And what gives this spin an orientation and a spin speed? Mitch Raemsch
From: BURT on 5 Apr 2010 17:53 On Apr 5, 7:01 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 4, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 4, 9:18 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 4, 6:38 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 3, 6:00 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 8:54 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 5:20 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 9:04 pm, ganesh <ganeshs...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > The right handed neutrino is a gauge singlet. Hence its > > > > > > > > > superpartner right handed sneutrino should be a candidate for a gauge > > > > > > > > > singlet for the linear term in the superpotential. So, why do we say > > > > > > > > > that MSSM does not have any candidate particle for the linear term in > > > > > > > > > the superpotential > > > > > > > > > > ganesh > > > > > > > > > How does a point rotate? > > > > > > > > > And how many degrees of freedom does a point rotate in? > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin does not mean rotation. > > > > > > > > If the term confuses you, then stop calling it spin and start calling > > > > > > > it fernification. > > > > > > > It is a unique property and so it might be easier if you gave it a > > > > > > > unique name. > > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > A point cannot rotate. Spin requires changing sizes of radius. > > > > > > No, it doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't mean changing radius > > > > > or rotating. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Then how many degrees of freedom can the praticles spin have? > > > > And does it have an orientation? > > > > One. Yes, though it can only be measured if energy degeneracy is > > > removed by the application, say, of a magnetic field, which determines > > > a direction. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Please explain what is spinning and how it is not a rotation. > > It is not spinning. Quantum mechanical "spin" is just a word that has > been borrowed. A much better term would "funnifulation" so what you > don't think it means something it doesn't. > > > Spin is defined as a steady rotation with a chaning size of radius. > > Such is the ice skater pulling in her arms. > > No, there are more definitions of spin than that. Quantum mechanical > spin has NOTHING to do with what a skater does. > > > > > How is the spin oriented? > > Does it have infinite degrees of freedom and rotational speeds? > > There is no rotation, so there are no rotational speeds. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - What then is the spin speed? Mitch Raemsch
From: PD on 5 Apr 2010 18:26 On Apr 5, 4:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 7:01 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 4, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 4, 9:18 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 4, 6:38 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 6:00 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 8:54 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 5:20 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 9:04 pm, ganesh <ganeshs...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > The right handed neutrino is a gauge singlet. Hence its > > > > > > > > > > superpartner right handed sneutrino should be a candidate for a gauge > > > > > > > > > > singlet for the linear term in the superpotential. So, why do we say > > > > > > > > > > that MSSM does not have any candidate particle for the linear term in > > > > > > > > > > the superpotential > > > > > > > > > > > ganesh > > > > > > > > > > How does a point rotate? > > > > > > > > > > And how many degrees of freedom does a point rotate in? > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin does not mean rotation. > > > > > > > > > If the term confuses you, then stop calling it spin and start calling > > > > > > > > it fernification. > > > > > > > > It is a unique property and so it might be easier if you gave it a > > > > > > > > unique name. > > > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > A point cannot rotate. Spin requires changing sizes of radius.. > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't mean changing radius > > > > > > or rotating. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Then how many degrees of freedom can the praticles spin have? > > > > > And does it have an orientation? > > > > > One. Yes, though it can only be measured if energy degeneracy is > > > > removed by the application, say, of a magnetic field, which determines > > > > a direction. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Please explain what is spinning and how it is not a rotation. > > > It is not spinning. Quantum mechanical "spin" is just a word that has > > been borrowed. A much better term would "funnifulation" so what you > > don't think it means something it doesn't. > > > > Spin is defined as a steady rotation with a chaning size of radius. > > > Such is the ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > No, there are more definitions of spin than that. Quantum mechanical > > spin has NOTHING to do with what a skater does. > > > > How is the spin oriented? > > > Does it have infinite degrees of freedom and rotational speeds? > > > There is no rotation, so there are no rotational speeds. > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > What then is the spin speed? There is no speed. It is not turning around at all. At all. Period. > > Mitch Raemsch
From: BURT on 5 Apr 2010 18:34
On Apr 5, 3:26 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 4:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 7:01 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 4, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 4, 9:18 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 6:38 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 6:00 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 8:54 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 5:20 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 9:04 pm, ganesh <ganeshs...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > > The right handed neutrino is a gauge singlet. Hence its > > > > > > > > > > > superpartner right handed sneutrino should be a candidate for a gauge > > > > > > > > > > > singlet for the linear term in the superpotential. So, why do we say > > > > > > > > > > > that MSSM does not have any candidate particle for the linear term in > > > > > > > > > > > the superpotential > > > > > > > > > > > > ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > How does a point rotate? > > > > > > > > > > > And how many degrees of freedom does a point rotate in? > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin does not mean rotation. > > > > > > > > > > If the term confuses you, then stop calling it spin and start calling > > > > > > > > > it fernification. > > > > > > > > > It is a unique property and so it might be easier if you gave it a > > > > > > > > > unique name. > > > > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > A point cannot rotate. Spin requires changing sizes of radius. > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't mean changing radius > > > > > > > or rotating. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Then how many degrees of freedom can the praticles spin have? > > > > > > And does it have an orientation? > > > > > > One. Yes, though it can only be measured if energy degeneracy is > > > > > removed by the application, say, of a magnetic field, which determines > > > > > a direction. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Please explain what is spinning and how it is not a rotation. > > > > It is not spinning. Quantum mechanical "spin" is just a word that has > > > been borrowed. A much better term would "funnifulation" so what you > > > don't think it means something it doesn't. > > > > > Spin is defined as a steady rotation with a chaning size of radius. > > > > Such is the ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > No, there are more definitions of spin than that. Quantum mechanical > > > spin has NOTHING to do with what a skater does. > > > > > How is the spin oriented? > > > > Does it have infinite degrees of freedom and rotational speeds? > > > > There is no rotation, so there are no rotational speeds. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > What then is the spin speed? > > There is no speed. It is not turning around at all. At all. Period. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So what is it doing if it is not spinning or rotating? The term spin gives the wrong impression if it not spin. Is it a motion? Mitch Raemsch |