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From: PD on 5 Apr 2010 18:36 On Apr 5, 5:34 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 3:26 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 5, 4:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 5, 7:01 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 4, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 9:18 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 6:38 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 6:00 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 8:54 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 5:20 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 9:04 pm, ganesh <ganeshs...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > The right handed neutrino is a gauge singlet.. Hence its > > > > > > > > > > > > superpartner right handed sneutrino should be a candidate for a gauge > > > > > > > > > > > > singlet for the linear term in the superpotential. So, why do we say > > > > > > > > > > > > that MSSM does not have any candidate particle for the linear term in > > > > > > > > > > > > the superpotential > > > > > > > > > > > > > ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > How does a point rotate? > > > > > > > > > > > > And how many degrees of freedom does a point rotate in? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin does not mean rotation. > > > > > > > > > > > If the term confuses you, then stop calling it spin and start calling > > > > > > > > > > it fernification. > > > > > > > > > > It is a unique property and so it might be easier if you gave it a > > > > > > > > > > unique name. > > > > > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > A point cannot rotate. Spin requires changing sizes of radius. > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't mean changing radius > > > > > > > > or rotating. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Then how many degrees of freedom can the praticles spin have? > > > > > > > And does it have an orientation? > > > > > > > One. Yes, though it can only be measured if energy degeneracy is > > > > > > removed by the application, say, of a magnetic field, which determines > > > > > > a direction. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Please explain what is spinning and how it is not a rotation. > > > > > It is not spinning. Quantum mechanical "spin" is just a word that has > > > > been borrowed. A much better term would "funnifulation" so what you > > > > don't think it means something it doesn't. > > > > > > Spin is defined as a steady rotation with a chaning size of radius. > > > > > Such is the ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > > No, there are more definitions of spin than that. Quantum mechanical > > > > spin has NOTHING to do with what a skater does. > > > > > > How is the spin oriented? > > > > > Does it have infinite degrees of freedom and rotational speeds? > > > > > There is no rotation, so there are no rotational speeds. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > What then is the spin speed? > > > There is no speed. It is not turning around at all. At all. Period. > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > So what is it doing if it is not spinning or rotating? > > The term spin gives the wrong impression if it not spin. > Is it a motion? This is precisely what I've been telling you over and over and over again. No, it is not a motion. It is a property that doesn't mean motion of any kind. Yes, "spin" is a term that gives the wrong impression, and you have the wrong impression. This is why you should be using "fernification" rather than "spin", so that you won't get the wrong impression. > > Mitch Raemsch
From: BURT on 5 Apr 2010 18:40 On Apr 5, 3:36 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 5:34 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 3:26 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 5, 4:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 5, 7:01 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 4, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 9:18 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 6:38 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 6:00 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 8:54 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 5:20 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 9:04 pm, ganesh <ganeshs...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > The right handed neutrino is a gauge singlet. Hence its > > > > > > > > > > > > > superpartner right handed sneutrino should be a candidate for a gauge > > > > > > > > > > > > > singlet for the linear term in the superpotential. So, why do we say > > > > > > > > > > > > > that MSSM does not have any candidate particle for the linear term in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the superpotential > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does a point rotate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how many degrees of freedom does a point rotate in? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin does not mean rotation. > > > > > > > > > > > > If the term confuses you, then stop calling it spin and start calling > > > > > > > > > > > it fernification. > > > > > > > > > > > It is a unique property and so it might be easier if you gave it a > > > > > > > > > > > unique name. > > > > > > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > A point cannot rotate. Spin requires changing sizes of radius. > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't mean changing radius > > > > > > > > > or rotating. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Then how many degrees of freedom can the praticles spin have? > > > > > > > > And does it have an orientation? > > > > > > > > One. Yes, though it can only be measured if energy degeneracy is > > > > > > > removed by the application, say, of a magnetic field, which determines > > > > > > > a direction. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Please explain what is spinning and how it is not a rotation. > > > > > > It is not spinning. Quantum mechanical "spin" is just a word that has > > > > > been borrowed. A much better term would "funnifulation" so what you > > > > > don't think it means something it doesn't. > > > > > > > Spin is defined as a steady rotation with a chaning size of radius. > > > > > > Such is the ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > > > No, there are more definitions of spin than that. Quantum mechanical > > > > > spin has NOTHING to do with what a skater does. > > > > > > > How is the spin oriented? > > > > > > Does it have infinite degrees of freedom and rotational speeds? > > > > > > There is no rotation, so there are no rotational speeds. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > What then is the spin speed? > > > > There is no speed. It is not turning around at all. At all. Period. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > So what is it doing if it is not spinning or rotating? > > > The term spin gives the wrong impression if it not spin. > > Is it a motion? > > This is precisely what I've been telling you over and over and over > again. > No, it is not a motion. It is a property that doesn't mean motion of > any kind. > Yes, "spin" is a term that gives the wrong impression, and you have > the wrong impression. > This is why you should be using "fernification" rather than "spin", so > that you won't get the wrong impression. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - What property is it then? Apparently you do not even know that. You have not been forthcomming on that account. Mitch Raemsch
From: PD on 6 Apr 2010 10:16 On Apr 5, 5:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 3:36 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 5, 5:34 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 5, 3:26 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 5, 4:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 5, 7:01 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 9:18 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 6:38 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 6:00 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 8:54 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 5:20 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 9:04 pm, ganesh <ganeshs...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The right handed neutrino is a gauge singlet. Hence its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superpartner right handed sneutrino should be a candidate for a gauge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > singlet for the linear term in the superpotential. So, why do we say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that MSSM does not have any candidate particle for the linear term in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the superpotential > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does a point rotate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how many degrees of freedom does a point rotate in? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin does not mean rotation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the term confuses you, then stop calling it spin and start calling > > > > > > > > > > > > it fernification. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a unique property and so it might be easier if you gave it a > > > > > > > > > > > > unique name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > A point cannot rotate. Spin requires changing sizes of radius. > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't mean changing radius > > > > > > > > > > or rotating. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > Then how many degrees of freedom can the praticles spin have? > > > > > > > > > And does it have an orientation? > > > > > > > > > One. Yes, though it can only be measured if energy degeneracy is > > > > > > > > removed by the application, say, of a magnetic field, which determines > > > > > > > > a direction. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Please explain what is spinning and how it is not a rotation. > > > > > > > It is not spinning. Quantum mechanical "spin" is just a word that has > > > > > > been borrowed. A much better term would "funnifulation" so what you > > > > > > don't think it means something it doesn't. > > > > > > > > Spin is defined as a steady rotation with a chaning size of radius. > > > > > > > Such is the ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > > > > No, there are more definitions of spin than that. Quantum mechanical > > > > > > spin has NOTHING to do with what a skater does. > > > > > > > > How is the spin oriented? > > > > > > > Does it have infinite degrees of freedom and rotational speeds? > > > > > > > There is no rotation, so there are no rotational speeds. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > What then is the spin speed? > > > > > There is no speed. It is not turning around at all. At all. Period. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > So what is it doing if it is not spinning or rotating? > > > > The term spin gives the wrong impression if it not spin. > > > Is it a motion? > > > This is precisely what I've been telling you over and over and over > > again. > > No, it is not a motion. It is a property that doesn't mean motion of > > any kind. > > Yes, "spin" is a term that gives the wrong impression, and you have > > the wrong impression. > > This is why you should be using "fernification" rather than "spin", so > > that you won't get the wrong impression. > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > What property is it then? Apparently you do not even know that. > You have not been forthcomming on that account. > > Mitch Raemsch Yes, I have. You just haven't been paying attention. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/3622b53c6cfef7b1
From: BURT on 6 Apr 2010 17:07 On Apr 6, 7:16 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 5:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: The right handed neutrino is a gauge singlet. Hence its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superpartner right handed sneutrino should be a candidate for a gauge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > singlet for the linear term in the superpotential. So, why do we say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that MSSM does not have any candidate particle for the linear term in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the superpotential > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does a point rotate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how many degrees of freedom does a point rotate in? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin does not mean rotation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the term confuses you, then stop calling it spin and start calling > > > > > > > > > > > > > it fernification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a unique property and so it might be easier if you gave it a > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > A point cannot rotate. Spin requires changing sizes of radius. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't mean changing radius > > > > > > > > > > > or rotating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > Then how many degrees of freedom can the praticles spin have? > > > > > > > > > > And does it have an orientation? > > > > > > > > > > One. Yes, though it can only be measured if energy degeneracy is > > > > > > > > > removed by the application, say, of a magnetic field, which determines > > > > > > > > > a direction. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Please explain what is spinning and how it is not a rotation. > > > > > > > > It is not spinning. Quantum mechanical "spin" is just a word that has > > > > > > > been borrowed. A much better term would "funnifulation" so what you > > > > > > > don't think it means something it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > Spin is defined as a steady rotation with a chaning size of radius. > > > > > > > > Such is the ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > > > > > No, there are more definitions of spin than that. Quantum mechanical > > > > > > > spin has NOTHING to do with what a skater does. > > > > > > > > > How is the spin oriented? > > > > > > > > Does it have infinite degrees of freedom and rotational speeds? > > > > > > > > There is no rotation, so there are no rotational speeds. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > What then is the spin speed? > > > > > > There is no speed. It is not turning around at all. At all. Period. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > So what is it doing if it is not spinning or rotating? > > > > > The term spin gives the wrong impression if it not spin. > > > > Is it a motion? > > > > This is precisely what I've been telling you over and over and over > > > again. > > > No, it is not a motion. It is a property that doesn't mean motion of > > > any kind. > > > Yes, "spin" is a term that gives the wrong impression, and you have > > > the wrong impression. > > > This is why you should be using "fernification" rather than "spin", so > > > that you won't get the wrong impression. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > What property is it then? Apparently you do not even know that. > > You have not been forthcomming on that account. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Yes, I have. You just haven't been paying attention.http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/3622b53c6cf...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Then what is spin by the quantum mechanical definition?
From: PD on 6 Apr 2010 17:27
On Apr 6, 4:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 6, 7:16 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 5, 5:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > The right handed neutrino is a gauge singlet. Hence its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superpartner right handed sneutrino should be a candidate for a gauge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > singlet for the linear term in the superpotential. So, why do we say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that MSSM does not have any candidate particle for the linear term in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the superpotential > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does a point rotate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how many degrees of freedom does a point rotate in? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin does not mean rotation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the term confuses you, then stop calling it spin and start calling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it fernification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a unique property and so it might be easier if you gave it a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A point cannot rotate. Spin requires changing sizes of radius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't mean changing radius > > > > > > > > > > > > or rotating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how many degrees of freedom can the praticles spin have? > > > > > > > > > > > And does it have an orientation? > > > > > > > > > > > One. Yes, though it can only be measured if energy degeneracy is > > > > > > > > > > removed by the application, say, of a magnetic field, which determines > > > > > > > > > > a direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > Please explain what is spinning and how it is not a rotation. > > > > > > > > > It is not spinning. Quantum mechanical "spin" is just a word that has > > > > > > > > been borrowed. A much better term would "funnifulation" so what you > > > > > > > > don't think it means something it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > Spin is defined as a steady rotation with a chaning size of radius. > > > > > > > > > Such is the ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > > > > > > No, there are more definitions of spin than that. Quantum mechanical > > > > > > > > spin has NOTHING to do with what a skater does. > > > > > > > > > > How is the spin oriented? > > > > > > > > > Does it have infinite degrees of freedom and rotational speeds? > > > > > > > > > There is no rotation, so there are no rotational speeds. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > What then is the spin speed? > > > > > > > There is no speed. It is not turning around at all. At all. Period. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > So what is it doing if it is not spinning or rotating? > > > > > > The term spin gives the wrong impression if it not spin. > > > > > Is it a motion? > > > > > This is precisely what I've been telling you over and over and over > > > > again. > > > > No, it is not a motion. It is a property that doesn't mean motion of > > > > any kind. > > > > Yes, "spin" is a term that gives the wrong impression, and you have > > > > the wrong impression. > > > > This is why you should be using "fernification" rather than "spin", so > > > > that you won't get the wrong impression. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > What property is it then? Apparently you do not even know that. > > > You have not been forthcomming on that account. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Yes, I have. You just haven't been paying attention.http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/3622b53c6cf...Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Then what is spin by the quantum mechanical definition?- Hide quoted text - It is what I relabeled "fernification" in the link above. I relabeled it because the word "spin" was confusing you. |