A constant speed of light in all reference frames? Surely you can't be serious.
in [Relativity]
|
From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 00:28 On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time. > > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has > > time changed? > > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists. > > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure. > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality. > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal. > > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency. The frequency of the > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be > provable in an Earth-based lab. All it would take would be a strong > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied, > which would create the necessary Aether pressure. > > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks > when testing for the GR effect. Further, the matter of the Earth is > entrained with the Aether surrounding it. This causes the Aether to > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect. Moving in > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation. > > Dave > www.secrets-of-the-aether.com Almost. Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation, westward. The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see' the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the Earth. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors are the corresponding standard deviations." Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock to tick faster. I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one something. Thanks. p.s. put "http://" in front of www.secrets-of-the-aether.com to get there directly from google groups.
From: BURT on 29 Mar 2010 00:58 On Mar 28, 9:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at > > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time. > > > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has > > > time changed? > > > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time > > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in > > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true > > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is > > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists. > > > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure. > > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality. > > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal. > > > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency. The frequency of the > > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be > > provable in an Earth-based lab. All it would take would be a strong > > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied, > > which would create the necessary Aether pressure. > > > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the > > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks > > when testing for the GR effect. Further, the matter of the Earth is > > entrained with the Aether surrounding it. This causes the Aether to > > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect. Moving in > > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure > > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation. > > > Dave > >www.secrets-of-the-aether.com > > Almost. > > Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a > greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the > Earth's rotation, westward. If gravity is aether pressure would not gravity be different on opposite sides of the Earth where turning is in the opposite direction? Mitch Raemsch > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see' > the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to > west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still > 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the > Earth. > > http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html > > "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the > flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and > gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors > are the corresponding standard deviations." > > Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a > greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock > to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is > flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the > Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the > atomic clock to tick faster. > > I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to > note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether > is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one > something. > > Thanks. > > p.s. put "http://" in front ofwww.secrets-of-the-aether.comto get > there directly from google groups.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 01:30 On Mar 29, 12:58 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 28, 9:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at > > > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time. > > > > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has > > > > time changed? > > > > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time > > > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in > > > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true > > > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is > > > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists. > > > > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure. > > > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality. > > > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal. > > > > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency. The frequency of the > > > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be > > > provable in an Earth-based lab. All it would take would be a strong > > > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied, > > > which would create the necessary Aether pressure. > > > > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the > > > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks > > > when testing for the GR effect. Further, the matter of the Earth is > > > entrained with the Aether surrounding it. This causes the Aether to > > > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect. Moving in > > > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure > > > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation. > > > > Dave > > >www.secrets-of-the-aether.com > > > Almost. > > > Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a > > greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the > > Earth's rotation, westward. > > If gravity is aether pressure would not gravity be different on > opposite sides of the Earth where turning is in the opposite > direction? > > Mitch Raemsch > The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. This aether is displacing back equally to each and every part of the Earth. The interaction of the Earth and the aether is occurring over such great distances that I would expect the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the impact that has on the displaced aether in terms of gravity to be negligible. > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the > > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to > > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating > > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see' > > the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to > > west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still > > 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the > > Earth. > > >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html > > > "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the > > flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and > > gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors > > are the corresponding standard deviations." > > > Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the > > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a > > greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock > > to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is > > flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the > > Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the > > atomic clock to tick faster. > > > I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to > > note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether > > is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one > > something. > > > Thanks. > > > p.s. put "http://" in front ofwww.secrets-of-the-aether.comtoget > > there directly from google groups.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > >
From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 01:38 On Mar 29, 12:58 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 28, 9:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at > > > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time. > > > > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has > > > > time changed? > > > > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time > > > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in > > > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true > > > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is > > > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists. > > > > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure. > > > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality. > > > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal. > > > > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency. The frequency of the > > > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be > > > provable in an Earth-based lab. All it would take would be a strong > > > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied, > > > which would create the necessary Aether pressure. > > > > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the > > > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks > > > when testing for the GR effect. Further, the matter of the Earth is > > > entrained with the Aether surrounding it. This causes the Aether to > > > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect. Moving in > > > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure > > > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation. > > > > Dave > > >www.secrets-of-the-aether.com > > > Almost. > > > Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a > > greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the > > Earth's rotation, westward. > > If gravity is aether pressure would not gravity be different on > opposite sides of the Earth where turning is in the opposite > direction? > > Mitch Raemsch > You are confusing 'entrainment' with displacement. Aether 'entrainment' is not responsible for gravity. Aether Displacement is responsible for gravity. The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. This aether is displacing back equally to each and every part of the Earth. The interaction of the Earth and the aether is occurring over such great distances that I would expect the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the impact that has on the displaced aether in terms of gravity to be negligible. > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the > > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to > > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating > > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see' > > the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to > > west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still > > 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the > > Earth. > > >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html > > > "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the > > flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and > > gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors > > are the corresponding standard deviations." > > > Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the > > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a > > greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock > > to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is > > flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the > > Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the > > atomic clock to tick faster. > > > I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to > > note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether > > is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one > > something. > > > Thanks. > > > p.s. put "http://" in front ofwww.secrets-of-the-aether.comtoget > > there directly from google groups.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > >
From: BURT on 29 Mar 2010 03:17
On Mar 28, 10:38 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 29, 12:58 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 9:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at > > > > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time. > > > > > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has > > > > > time changed? > > > > > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time > > > > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in > > > > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true > > > > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is > > > > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists. > > > > > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure.. > > > > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality. > > > > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal. > > > > > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency. The frequency of the > > > > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be > > > > provable in an Earth-based lab. All it would take would be a strong > > > > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied, > > > > which would create the necessary Aether pressure. > > > > > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the > > > > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks > > > > when testing for the GR effect. Further, the matter of the Earth is > > > > entrained with the Aether surrounding it. This causes the Aether to > > > > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect. Moving in > > > > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure > > > > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation. > > > > > Dave > > > >www.secrets-of-the-aether.com > > > > Almost. > > > > Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a > > > greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the > > > Earth's rotation, westward. > > > If gravity is aether pressure would not gravity be different on > > opposite sides of the Earth where turning is in the opposite > > direction? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > You are confusing 'entrainment' with displacement. Aether > 'entrainment' is not responsible for gravity. Aether Displacement is > responsible for gravity. > > The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. This aether is > displacing back equally to each and every part of the Earth. The > interaction of the Earth and the aether is occurring over such great > distances that I would expect the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the > impact that has on the displaced aether in terms of gravity to be > negligible. > > > > > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the > > > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to > > > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating > > > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see' > > > the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to > > > west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still > > > 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the > > > Earth. > > > >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html > > > > "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the > > > flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and > > > gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors > > > are the corresponding standard deviations." > > > > Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the > > > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a > > > greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock > > > to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is > > > flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the > > > Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the > > > atomic clock to tick faster. > > > > I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to > > > note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether > > > is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one > > > something. > > > > Thanks. > > > > p.s. put "http://" in front ofwww.secrets-of-the-aether.comtoget > > > there directly from google groups.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - If one side of the Earth has a greater pressure than the other the same gravity should then be different when it is not. Mitch Raemsch |