A constant speed of light in all reference frames? Surely you can't be serious.
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From: BURT on 29 Mar 2010 15:46 On Mar 29, 7:21 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 29, 3:17 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 10:38 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 29, 12:58 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 28, 9:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at > > > > > > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time. > > > > > > > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has > > > > > > > time changed? > > > > > > > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time > > > > > > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in > > > > > > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true > > > > > > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is > > > > > > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists. > > > > > > > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure. > > > > > > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality. > > > > > > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal. > > > > > > > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency. The frequency of the > > > > > > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be > > > > > > provable in an Earth-based lab. All it would take would be a strong > > > > > > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied, > > > > > > which would create the necessary Aether pressure. > > > > > > > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the > > > > > > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks > > > > > > when testing for the GR effect. Further, the matter of the Earth is > > > > > > entrained with the Aether surrounding it. This causes the Aether to > > > > > > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect. Moving in > > > > > > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure > > > > > > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation. > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > >www.secrets-of-the-aether.com > > > > > > Almost. > > > > > > Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a > > > > > greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the > > > > > Earth's rotation, westward. > > > > > If gravity is aether pressure would not gravity be different on > > > > opposite sides of the Earth where turning is in the opposite > > > > direction? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > You are confusing 'entrainment' with displacement. Aether > > > 'entrainment' is not responsible for gravity. Aether Displacement is > > > responsible for gravity. > > > > The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. This aether is > > > displacing back equally to each and every part of the Earth. The > > > interaction of the Earth and the aether is occurring over such great > > > distances that I would expect the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the > > > impact that has on the displaced aether in terms of gravity to be > > > negligible. > > > > > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the > > > > > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to > > > > > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating > > > > > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see' > > > > > the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to > > > > > west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still > > > > > 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the > > > > > Earth. > > > > > >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html > > > > > > "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the > > > > > flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and > > > > > gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors > > > > > are the corresponding standard deviations." > > > > > > Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the > > > > > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a > > > > > greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock > > > > > to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is > > > > > flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the > > > > > Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the > > > > > atomic clock to tick faster. > > > > > > I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to > > > > > note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether > > > > > is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one > > > > > something. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > p.s. put "http://" in front ofwww.secrets-of-the-aether.comtoget > > > > > there directly from google groups.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > If one side of the Earth has a greater pressure than the other the > > same gravity should then be different when it is not. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > The aether pressure is equally applied to each and every part of the > Earth. But the opposite direction of rotation will mean different gravity pressure therefore it is not equally applied. Mitch Raemsch > > You are confusing 'entrainment' with displacement. Aether > 'entrainment' is not responsible for gravity. Aether Displacement is > responsible for gravity. > > The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. This aether is > displacing back equally to each and every part of the Earth. The > interaction of the Earth and the aether is occurring over such great > distances that I would expect the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the > impact that has on the displaced aether in terms of gravity to be > negligible. > > You are confusing the aether pressure associated with gravity with the > aether pressure associated with an airplane which is flying with > respect to the aether.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 16:10 On Mar 29, 3:46 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > The aether pressure is equally applied to each and every part of the > > Earth. > > But the opposite direction of rotation will mean different gravity > pressure therefore it is not equally applied. > > Mitch Raemsch > Let's start with a bowling ball which consists of millions of particles separated by springs. The bowling ball is placed into a tank of water. The water is displaced equally all around the bowling ball. The water displaces back equally to each and every part of the bowling ball. The water displaces back equally throughout the bowling ball. Now, spin the bowling ball. If this is a closed system and the water has nowhere to go the water will still be applying pressure equally on the surface and throughout the bowling ball. The water becomes entrained by the spinning bowling ball. The further you get from the surface of the bowling ball the slower the water spins relative to the surface of the bowling ball. If there is something which is several inches off of the surface of the bowling ball and it is moving in the same direction as the bowling ball spins it is moving against the flow of water with respect to the surface of the bowling ball. If there is something which is several inches off of the surface of the bowling ball and it is moving in the opposite direction as the bowling ball spins it is moving with the flow of water with respect to the surface of the bowling ball. The object moving in the same direction as the bowling ball spins is going to encounter greater water pressure than the object moving in the opposite direction as the bowling ball spins, relative to the surface of the bowling ball. This increase or decrease in the pressure the object encounters is not 'gravity'. It is water pressure. In the analogy, 'gravity' would be the pressure exerted by the water towards the bowling ball. This pressure exerted towards the bowling ball exists whether the bowling ball is spinning or not.
From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 21:30 On Mar 29, 9:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > I am pointing this out. You do not remember what you say mpc. > > Mitch Raemsch This is very easy to resolve. Go back through the posts and find where I said 'flow' and 'entrainment' had something to do with gravity. You won't find any because there aren't any. What I said is the aether is 'entrained' by the Earth. The further from the surface of the Earth the aether is the less 'entrained' it is. If you were standing on the Earth looking up and were able to see the aether it would move east to west. The 'entrained' aether is moving west to east but at a slower rate than the Earth rotates. An atomic clock on an airplane flying eastward is flying against the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, and will be under greater aether pressure than a similar clock on the Earth and will tick slower than the clock on the surface of the Earth. An atomic clock on an airplane flying westward is flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, and will under less aether pressure than a similar clock on the Earth and will tick faster than the clock on the surface of the Earth. Not once did I relate the above to gravity. What I have said consistently is the rate at which a GPS satellite ticks is based upon both its motion with respect to the aether and the pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth (gravity). The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to "result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth "causing the GPS clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites [to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground." (quoted text from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS).
From: BURT on 29 Mar 2010 21:44 On Mar 29, 6:30 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 29, 9:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > I am pointing this out. You do not remember what you say mpc. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > This is very easy to resolve. Go back through the posts and find where > I said 'flow' and 'entrainment' had something to do with gravity. > > You won't find any because there aren't any. > > What I said is the aether is 'entrained' by the Earth. The further > from the surface of the Earth the aether is the less 'entrained' it > is. If you were standing on the Earth looking up and were able to see > the aether it would move east to west. The 'entrained' aether is > moving west to east but at a slower rate than the Earth rotates. > > An atomic clock on an airplane flying eastward is flying against the > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, and will be > under greater aether pressure than a similar clock on the Earth and > will tick slower than the clock on the surface of the Earth. > > An atomic clock on an airplane flying westward is flying with the > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, and will under > less aether pressure than a similar clock on the Earth and will tick > faster than the clock on the surface of the Earth. > > Not once did I relate the above to gravity. > > What I have said consistently is the rate at which a GPS satellite > ticks is based upon both its motion with respect to the aether and the > pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth (gravity). > > The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether > pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS > satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether > and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS > satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest > with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to > "result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated > with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS > satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth "causing the GPS > clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure > associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with > respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the > aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites > [to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground." > (quoted text fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS). I am sorry but I will not search for something you said. My correction to you remains the same. You do not remember what you have said. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 21:47
On Mar 29, 9:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > I am sorry but I will not search for something you said. > > My correction to you remains the same. You do not remember what you > have said. > > Mitch Raemsch Because I did not say it. You have provided no evidence to support your claim. This conversation has taken place on this thread. If you are going to make claims about what someone said, you should be willing to back it up. It shows a lack of integrity if you continue to make such a claim without backing it up when all of the evidence you state exists is in this very thread. What I said is the aether is 'entrained' by the Earth. The further from the surface of the Earth the aether is the less 'entrained' it is. If you were standing on the Earth looking up and were able to see the aether it would move east to west. The 'entrained' aether is moving west to east but at a slower rate than the Earth rotates. An atomic clock on an airplane flying eastward is flying against the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, and will be under greater aether pressure than a similar clock on the Earth and will tick slower than the clock on the surface of the Earth. An atomic clock on an airplane flying westward is flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, and will under less aether pressure than a similar clock on the Earth and will tick faster than the clock on the surface of the Earth. Not once did I relate the above to gravity. What I have said consistently is the rate at which a GPS satellite ticks is based upon both its motion with respect to the aether and the pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth (gravity). The rate at which an atomic clock 'ticks' is based upon the aether pressure in which it exists. In terms of motion, the speed of a GPS satellite with respect to the aether causes it to displace more aether and for that aether to exert more pressure on the clock in the GPS satellite than the aether pressure associated with a clock at rest with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite clock to "result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth exerts less pressure on the GPS satellite than a similar clock at rest on the Earth "causing the GPS clocks to appear faster by about 45 ìs/day". The aether pressure associated with the speed at which the GPS satellite moves with respect to the aether and the aether pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth causes "clocks on the GPS satellites [to] tick approximately 38 ìs/day faster than clocks on the ground." (quoted text from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_relativity_on_GPS). |