A constant speed of light in all reference frames? Surely you can't be serious.
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From: mpc755 on 18 Feb 2010 22:16 On Feb 18, 9:59 pm, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:f86e725d-0fbd-4d8c-9fa9-1773156de08b(a)f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 18, 9:41 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:6d9c432d-b709-4ce8-a10f-1657957c4fa6(a)t1g2000vbq.googlegroups.com... > > On Feb 18, 9:22 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:c9a01beb-0012-4d90-a24e-56f7896d14db(a)y7g2000vbb.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Feb 18, 7:45 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:b232b4d3-422f-4f00-b485-d7a6f6ab5cd7(a)c22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Feb 18, 2:30 am, "Peter Webb" > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:8e724cb5-1db0-47c2-aa3d-5ed7150295ea(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups..com... > > > > > On Feb 18, 12:40 am, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:c7b417f4-cdc4-414a-a24c-3f2e7fc4c67d(a)t42g2000vbt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Feb 16, 11:55 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > >news:3c8112b0-e86e-4fdb-a9f6-6c390200aa01(a)b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 9:26 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > My tabletop is not in a spaceship, and there is no train > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > spaceship. > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my question. Lets just take the first half this > > > > > > > > > > time: > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We place two atomic clocks on a tabletop at the centre > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > metre > > > > > > > > > > ruler. We separate them very slowly so they are at either > > > > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > metre ruler. We record the time taken (according to the > > > > > > > > > > clocks) > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > travel 1 metre in a vacuum. Will the speed of light > > > > > > > > > > measured > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > be c or some other value? > > > > > > > > > > Is the aether at rest with respect to the table top? > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________ > > > > > > > > > No. The tabletop is moving at speed of v relative to the > > > > > > > > > ether. > > > > > > > > > The the tabletop is the train. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > > No, a tabletop is a tabletop. Its not a train. And you haven't > > > > > > > > answered > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > question. Will the speed of light measured in this manner be c > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > value? It is a pretty simple question. Why won't you answer > > > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > I have answered it several times. If you want to understand how > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > clocks on the tabletop behave read my posts and replaced 'train' > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > 'tabletop'. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > Or, you could simply answer my question. Its pretty simple. Will > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > speed > > > > > > > be measured as c, or some different value. > > > > > > > > I will make it easy for you: > > > > > > > > If the earth is moving at velocity v with respect to the ether, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > perform the very simple experiment above, then will the measured > > > > > > > speed > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > light in a vacuum be measured as c in a laboratory on earth? > > > > > > > > Well? > > > > > > > Replace 'earth' with 'train' and read my responses if you want to > > > > > > know > > > > > > the answer. > > > > > > > ____________________________ > > > > > > So you refuse to answer (again). Shows how much confidence you > > > > > > have > > > > > > in > > > > > > your > > > > > > own theories. > > > > > > I have a great deal of confidence in my theory but why am I going to > > > > > waste my time having to go back through my posts and replace 'train' > > > > > with 'tabletop', or replace 'train' with 'Earth'? > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Nobody is asking you to. I am asking you a very simple question > > > > > about > > > > > your > > > > > theory. Say the earth is moving at speed v relative to the ether. > > > > > The > > > > > speed > > > > > of light in the direction the earth is travelling is measured in a > > > > > laboratory on earth. What is its measured speed? > > > > > > If you think the clocks being moved on a moving tabletop or the > > > > > clocks > > > > > being moved on the flat bed cars of a moving train makes a > > > > > difference > > > > > then this 'conversation' is pointless. > > > > > > _________________________________ > > > > > There are in fact 4 possibilities: > > > > > > a) c > > > > > b) c+v > > > > > c) c-v > > > > > d) something else. > > > > > > You could just answer 'a', 'b', 'c' or 'd'. That is only typing a > > > > > single > > > > > character; that's not too much work for you, is it? > > > > > If you want to understand how the Observers on an object moving at 'v' > > > > with respect to the aether determine the speed of light based upon > > > > 'synchronized' clocks, read my posts discussing the simultaneity of > > > > lightning strikes as determined by Observers on a train. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Why won't you naswer the question? > > > > I have answered your question. Why won't you read the answer? > > > > > Simply answering the question above is not going to get us anywhere.. > > > > > ___________________________ > > > > Of course it will. You will be making a verificable claim about your > > > > theory, > > > > so we can verify if it is correct. > > > > > You have to understand what is physically occurring in nature to the > > > > atomic clocks and the light with respect to the aether in order to > > > > understand how it is the Observers on the train 'measure' the speed of > > > > light. > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Earth moving at v relative to the ether. We measure the speed of light > > > > on > > > > earth in the direction we are travelling through the ether. What speed > > > > do > > > > we > > > > measure on earth for light? > > > > > Simple question. Why won't you answer? > > > > I have answered your question. Why won't you read the answer? > > > > ______________________________ > > > No you have not. It is a really simple question. Here it is again: Earth > > > moving at v relative to the ether. We measure the speed of light on > > > earth > > > in > > > the direction we are travelling through the ether. What speed do we > > > measure > > > on earth for light? Instead of saying that you have already answered it > > > (which you haven't), why not just tell us the answer? > > > Because to understand the answer you need to read my posts having to > > do with a train moving at speed 'v' with respect to the aether. Why > > not read the answer already posted? > > > ___________________________________ > > You haven't answered my question. It is a really simple question. Here it > > is > > again: Earth moving at v relative to the ether. We measure the speed of > > light on earth in the direction we are travelling through the ether. What > > speed do we measure on earth for light? Instead of saying that you have > > already answered it (which you haven't), why not just tell us the answer? > > In order to understand the answer to the question you need to read my > response where the train is moving at speed 'v' with respect to the > aether. Why not just read the answer? > > ________________________________ > So claim that the measured speed of light in a laboratory on earth > travelling at speed relative to the ether of v is still c? Is this your > claim? For the laboratory on the Earth the aether is at rest with respect to the Earth so discussing this in terms of the Earth moving at 'v' with respect to the aether is meaningless and shows you did not read my responses because the laboratory is analogous to the embankment.
From: Peter Webb on 18 Feb 2010 22:40 "mpc755" <mpc755(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:693c3e8f-cb8b-4bf5-bdfc-78d9e75ba370(a)o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... On Feb 18, 9:59 pm, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:f86e725d-0fbd-4d8c-9fa9-1773156de08b(a)f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 18, 9:41 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:6d9c432d-b709-4ce8-a10f-1657957c4fa6(a)t1g2000vbq.googlegroups.com... > > On Feb 18, 9:22 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:c9a01beb-0012-4d90-a24e-56f7896d14db(a)y7g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... > > > On Feb 18, 7:45 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:b232b4d3-422f-4f00-b485-d7a6f6ab5cd7(a)c22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Feb 18, 2:30 am, "Peter Webb" > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:8e724cb5-1db0-47c2-aa3d-5ed7150295ea(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Feb 18, 12:40 am, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:c7b417f4-cdc4-414a-a24c-3f2e7fc4c67d(a)t42g2000vbt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Feb 16, 11:55 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > >news:3c8112b0-e86e-4fdb-a9f6-6c390200aa01(a)b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 9:26 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > My tabletop is not in a spaceship, and there is no train > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > spaceship. > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my question. Lets just take the first half this > > > > > > > > > > time: > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We place two atomic clocks on a tabletop at the > > > > > > > > > > centre > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > metre > > > > > > > > > > ruler. We separate them very slowly so they are at > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > metre ruler. We record the time taken (according to the > > > > > > > > > > clocks) > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > travel 1 metre in a vacuum. Will the speed of light > > > > > > > > > > measured > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > be c or some other value? > > > > > > > > > > Is the aether at rest with respect to the table top? > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________ > > > > > > > > > No. The tabletop is moving at speed of v relative to the > > > > > > > > > ether. > > > > > > > > > The the tabletop is the train. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > > No, a tabletop is a tabletop. Its not a train. And you > > > > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > > answered > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > question. Will the speed of light measured in this manner be > > > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > value? It is a pretty simple question. Why won't you answer > > > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > I have answered it several times. If you want to understand > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > clocks on the tabletop behave read my posts and replaced > > > > > > > 'train' > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > 'tabletop'. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > Or, you could simply answer my question. Its pretty simple. > > > > > > > Will > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > speed > > > > > > > be measured as c, or some different value. > > > > > > > > I will make it easy for you: > > > > > > > > If the earth is moving at velocity v with respect to the > > > > > > > ether, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > perform the very simple experiment above, then will the > > > > > > > measured > > > > > > > speed > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > light in a vacuum be measured as c in a laboratory on earth? > > > > > > > > Well? > > > > > > > Replace 'earth' with 'train' and read my responses if you want > > > > > > to > > > > > > know > > > > > > the answer. > > > > > > > ____________________________ > > > > > > So you refuse to answer (again). Shows how much confidence you > > > > > > have > > > > > > in > > > > > > your > > > > > > own theories. > > > > > > I have a great deal of confidence in my theory but why am I going > > > > > to > > > > > waste my time having to go back through my posts and replace > > > > > 'train' > > > > > with 'tabletop', or replace 'train' with 'Earth'? > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Nobody is asking you to. I am asking you a very simple question > > > > > about > > > > > your > > > > > theory. Say the earth is moving at speed v relative to the ether. > > > > > The > > > > > speed > > > > > of light in the direction the earth is travelling is measured in a > > > > > laboratory on earth. What is its measured speed? > > > > > > If you think the clocks being moved on a moving tabletop or the > > > > > clocks > > > > > being moved on the flat bed cars of a moving train makes a > > > > > difference > > > > > then this 'conversation' is pointless. > > > > > > _________________________________ > > > > > There are in fact 4 possibilities: > > > > > > a) c > > > > > b) c+v > > > > > c) c-v > > > > > d) something else. > > > > > > You could just answer 'a', 'b', 'c' or 'd'. That is only typing a > > > > > single > > > > > character; that's not too much work for you, is it? > > > > > If you want to understand how the Observers on an object moving at > > > > 'v' > > > > with respect to the aether determine the speed of light based upon > > > > 'synchronized' clocks, read my posts discussing the simultaneity of > > > > lightning strikes as determined by Observers on a train. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Why won't you naswer the question? > > > > I have answered your question. Why won't you read the answer? > > > > > Simply answering the question above is not going to get us anywhere. > > > > > ___________________________ > > > > Of course it will. You will be making a verificable claim about your > > > > theory, > > > > so we can verify if it is correct. > > > > > You have to understand what is physically occurring in nature to the > > > > atomic clocks and the light with respect to the aether in order to > > > > understand how it is the Observers on the train 'measure' the speed > > > > of > > > > light. > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Earth moving at v relative to the ether. We measure the speed of > > > > light > > > > on > > > > earth in the direction we are travelling through the ether. What > > > > speed > > > > do > > > > we > > > > measure on earth for light? > > > > > Simple question. Why won't you answer? > > > > I have answered your question. Why won't you read the answer? > > > > ______________________________ > > > No you have not. It is a really simple question. Here it is again: > > > Earth > > > moving at v relative to the ether. We measure the speed of light on > > > earth > > > in > > > the direction we are travelling through the ether. What speed do we > > > measure > > > on earth for light? Instead of saying that you have already answered > > > it > > > (which you haven't), why not just tell us the answer? > > > Because to understand the answer you need to read my posts having to > > do with a train moving at speed 'v' with respect to the aether. Why > > not read the answer already posted? > > > ___________________________________ > > You haven't answered my question. It is a really simple question. Here > > it > > is > > again: Earth moving at v relative to the ether. We measure the speed of > > light on earth in the direction we are travelling through the ether. > > What > > speed do we measure on earth for light? Instead of saying that you have > > already answered it (which you haven't), why not just tell us the > > answer? > > In order to understand the answer to the question you need to read my > response where the train is moving at speed 'v' with respect to the > aether. Why not just read the answer? > > ________________________________ > So claim that the measured speed of light in a laboratory on earth > travelling at speed relative to the ether of v is still c? Is this your > claim? For the laboratory on the Earth the aether is at rest with respect to the Earth so discussing this in terms of the Earth moving at 'v' with respect to the aether is meaningless and shows you did not read my responses because the laboratory is analogous to the embankment. __________________________________ So completely independent of the speed at which the earth moves with respect to the ether, the measured speed of light in a vacuum on earth is always c ?
From: mpc755 on 18 Feb 2010 22:45 On Feb 18, 10:40 pm, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:693c3e8f-cb8b-4bf5-bdfc-78d9e75ba370(a)o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 18, 9:59 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:f86e725d-0fbd-4d8c-9fa9-1773156de08b(a)f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > On Feb 18, 9:41 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:6d9c432d-b709-4ce8-a10f-1657957c4fa6(a)t1g2000vbq.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Feb 18, 9:22 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:c9a01beb-0012-4d90-a24e-56f7896d14db(a)y7g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Feb 18, 7:45 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:b232b4d3-422f-4f00-b485-d7a6f6ab5cd7(a)c22g2000vbb.googlegroups..com... > > > > > On Feb 18, 2:30 am, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:8e724cb5-1db0-47c2-aa3d-5ed7150295ea(a)f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Feb 18, 12:40 am, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > >news:c7b417f4-cdc4-414a-a24c-3f2e7fc4c67d(a)t42g2000vbt.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 11:55 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > >news:3c8112b0-e86e-4fdb-a9f6-6c390200aa01(a)b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 9:26 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > > > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > My tabletop is not in a spaceship, and there is no train > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > spaceship. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my question. Lets just take the first half this > > > > > > > > > > > time: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We place two atomic clocks on a tabletop at the > > > > > > > > > > > centre > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > metre > > > > > > > > > > > ruler. We separate them very slowly so they are at > > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > metre ruler. We record the time taken (according to the > > > > > > > > > > > clocks) > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > travel 1 metre in a vacuum. Will the speed of light > > > > > > > > > > > measured > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > manner > > > > > > > > > > > be c or some other value? > > > > > > > > > > > Is the aether at rest with respect to the table top? > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > No. The tabletop is moving at speed of v relative to the > > > > > > > > > > ether. > > > > > > > > > > The the tabletop is the train. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > > > No, a tabletop is a tabletop. Its not a train. And you > > > > > > > > > haven't > > > > > > > > > answered > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > question. Will the speed of light measured in this manner be > > > > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > value? It is a pretty simple question. Why won't you answer > > > > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > I have answered it several times. If you want to understand > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > clocks on the tabletop behave read my posts and replaced > > > > > > > > 'train' > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > 'tabletop'. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > Or, you could simply answer my question. Its pretty simple. > > > > > > > > Will > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > speed > > > > > > > > be measured as c, or some different value. > > > > > > > > > I will make it easy for you: > > > > > > > > > If the earth is moving at velocity v with respect to the > > > > > > > > ether, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > perform the very simple experiment above, then will the > > > > > > > > measured > > > > > > > > speed > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > light in a vacuum be measured as c in a laboratory on earth? > > > > > > > > > Well? > > > > > > > > Replace 'earth' with 'train' and read my responses if you want > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > the answer. > > > > > > > > ____________________________ > > > > > > > So you refuse to answer (again). Shows how much confidence you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > own theories. > > > > > > > I have a great deal of confidence in my theory but why am I going > > > > > > to > > > > > > waste my time having to go back through my posts and replace > > > > > > 'train' > > > > > > with 'tabletop', or replace 'train' with 'Earth'? > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > Nobody is asking you to. I am asking you a very simple question > > > > > > about > > > > > > your > > > > > > theory. Say the earth is moving at speed v relative to the ether. > > > > > > The > > > > > > speed > > > > > > of light in the direction the earth is travelling is measured in a > > > > > > laboratory on earth. What is its measured speed? > > > > > > > If you think the clocks being moved on a moving tabletop or the > > > > > > clocks > > > > > > being moved on the flat bed cars of a moving train makes a > > > > > > difference > > > > > > then this 'conversation' is pointless. > > > > > > > _________________________________ > > > > > > There are in fact 4 possibilities: > > > > > > > a) c > > > > > > b) c+v > > > > > > c) c-v > > > > > > d) something else. > > > > > > > You could just answer 'a', 'b', 'c' or 'd'. That is only typing a > > > > > > single > > > > > > character; that's not too much work for you, is it? > > > > > > If you want to understand how the Observers on an object moving at > > > > > 'v' > > > > > with respect to the aether determine the speed of light based upon > > > > > 'synchronized' clocks, read my posts discussing the simultaneity of > > > > > lightning strikes as determined by Observers on a train. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Why won't you naswer the question? > > > > > I have answered your question. Why won't you read the answer? > > > > > > Simply answering the question above is not going to get us anywhere. > > > > > > ___________________________ > > > > > Of course it will. You will be making a verificable claim about your > > > > > theory, > > > > > so we can verify if it is correct. > > > > > > You have to understand what is physically occurring in nature to the > > > > > atomic clocks and the light with respect to the aether in order to > > > > > understand how it is the Observers on the train 'measure' the speed > > > > > of > > > > > light. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Earth moving at v relative to the ether. We measure the speed of > > > > > light > > > > > on > > > > > earth in the direction we are travelling through the ether. What > > > > > speed > > > > > do > > > > > we > > > > > measure on earth for light? > > > > > > Simple question. Why won't you answer? > > > > > I have answered your question. Why won't you read the answer? > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > No you have not. It is a really simple question. Here it is again: > > > > Earth > > > > moving at v relative to the ether. We measure the speed of light on > > > > earth > > > > in > > > > the direction we are travelling through the ether. What speed do we > > > > measure > > > > on earth for light? Instead of saying that you have already answered > > > > it > > > > (which you haven't), why not just tell us the answer? > > > > Because to understand the answer you need to read my posts having to > > > do with a train moving at speed 'v' with respect to the aether. Why > > > not read the answer already posted? > > > > ___________________________________ > > > You haven't answered my question. It is a really simple question. Here > > > it > > > is > > > again: Earth moving at v relative to the ether. We measure the speed of > > > light on earth in the direction we are travelling through the ether. > > > What > > > speed do we measure on earth for light? Instead of saying that you have > > > already answered it (which you haven't), why not just tell us the > > > answer? > > > In order to understand the answer to the question you need to read my > > response where the train is moving at speed 'v' with respect to the > > aether. Why not just read the answer? > > > ________________________________ > > So claim that the measured speed of light in a laboratory on earth > > travelling at speed relative to the ether of v is still c? Is this your > > claim? > > For the laboratory on the Earth the aether is at rest with respect to > the Earth so discussing this in terms of the Earth moving at 'v' with > respect to the aether is meaningless and shows you did not read my > responses because the laboratory is analogous to the embankment. > > __________________________________ > So completely independent of the speed at which the earth moves with respect > to the ether, the measured speed of light in a vacuum on earth is always c ? The speed of light is always determined to be 'c'.
From: Peter Webb on 18 Feb 2010 22:59 > > ________________________________ > > So claim that the measured speed of light in a laboratory on earth > > travelling at speed relative to the ether of v is still c? Is this your > > claim? > > For the laboratory on the Earth the aether is at rest with respect to > the Earth so discussing this in terms of the Earth moving at 'v' with > respect to the aether is meaningless and shows you did not read my > responses because the laboratory is analogous to the embankment. > > __________________________________ > So completely independent of the speed at which the earth moves with > respect > to the ether, the measured speed of light in a vacuum on earth is always c > ? The speed of light is always determined to be 'c'. ________________________________ So in all inertial reference frames the speed of light in a vacuum is c, according to you?
From: mpc755 on 18 Feb 2010 23:19
On Feb 18, 10:59 pm, "Peter Webb" <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > ________________________________ > > > So claim that the measured speed of light in a laboratory on earth > > > travelling at speed relative to the ether of v is still c? Is this your > > > claim? > > > For the laboratory on the Earth the aether is at rest with respect to > > the Earth so discussing this in terms of the Earth moving at 'v' with > > respect to the aether is meaningless and shows you did not read my > > responses because the laboratory is analogous to the embankment. > > > __________________________________ > > So completely independent of the speed at which the earth moves with > > respect > > to the ether, the measured speed of light in a vacuum on earth is always c > > ? > > The speed of light is always determined to be 'c'. > > ________________________________ > So in all inertial reference frames the speed of light in a vacuum is c, > according to you? As determined by Observers in the inertial reference frame, yes. |