A constant speed of light in all reference frames? Surely you can't be serious. [Physics]

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From: mpc755 on 13 Mar 2010 13:31

On Mar 13, 1:28 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 3:30 am, "Peter Webb"
>
> <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > If they are not directly across from each other you are making
> > assumptions about the speed of light carrying the signal. If you use
> > two clocks you made assumptions about the speed of light when you
> > synchronized the two clocks.
>
> > _____________________________
> > When solving problems in SR or LET, you don't have to assume the speed of
> > light is constant. You know it is.
>
> In response to both you and Inertial, mpc755 wrote, "The clock which
> ticks the fastest is most at rest with respect to the aether." So we
> were not discussing SR. And since he thinks he can detect the ether
> frame we are not discussing LET either.

I did not say the aether frame can be detected, what I wrote and what
you quote above stands on its own.

The aether is most at rest with respect to the clock which ticks the
fastest.

From: Bruce Richmond on 13 Mar 2010 13:34

On Mar 13, 1:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 1:28 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 3:30 am, "Peter Webb"
>
> > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > If they are not directly across from each other you are making
> > > assumptions about the speed of light carrying the signal. If you use
> > > two clocks you made assumptions about the speed of light when you
> > > synchronized the two clocks.
>
> > > _____________________________
> > > When solving problems in SR or LET, you don't have to assume the speed of
> > > light is constant. You know it is.
>
> > In response to both you and Inertial, mpc755 wrote, "The clock which
> > ticks the fastest is most at rest with respect to the aether." So we
> > were not discussing SR. And since he thinks he can detect the ether
> > frame we are not discussing LET either.
>
> I did not say the aether frame can be detected, what I wrote and what
> you quote above stands on its own.
>
> The aether is most at rest with respect to the clock which ticks the
> fastest.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Then all you would need to do is determine which clock is ticking
fastest and you have found the ether frame. Most people would
consider that detecting the ether.

From: mpc755 on 13 Mar 2010 13:37

On Mar 13, 1:34 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 1:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 1:28 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 13, 3:30 am, "Peter Webb"
>
> > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > > If they are not directly across from each other you are making
> > > > assumptions about the speed of light carrying the signal. If you use
> > > > two clocks you made assumptions about the speed of light when you
> > > > synchronized the two clocks.
>
> > > > _____________________________
> > > > When solving problems in SR or LET, you don't have to assume the speed of
> > > > light is constant. You know it is.
>
> > > In response to both you and Inertial, mpc755 wrote, "The clock which
> > > ticks the fastest is most at rest with respect to the aether." So we
> > > were not discussing SR. And since he thinks he can detect the ether
> > > frame we are not discussing LET either.
>
> > I did not say the aether frame can be detected, what I wrote and what
> > you quote above stands on its own.
>
> > The aether is most at rest with respect to the clock which ticks the
> > fastest.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Then all you would need to do is determine which clock is ticking
> fastest and you have found the ether frame. Most people would
> consider that detecting the ether.

How do you know there isn't a clock somewhere else ticking faster?

From: Bruce Richmond on 13 Mar 2010 14:52

On Mar 13, 1:37 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 1:34 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 1:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 13, 1:28 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 13, 3:30 am, "Peter Webb"
>
> > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > > > If they are not directly across from each other you are making
> > > > > assumptions about the speed of light carrying the signal. If you use
> > > > > two clocks you made assumptions about the speed of light when you
> > > > > synchronized the two clocks.
>
> > > > > _____________________________
> > > > > When solving problems in SR or LET, you don't have to assume the speed of
> > > > > light is constant. You know it is.
>
> > > > In response to both you and Inertial, mpc755 wrote, "The clock which
> > > > ticks the fastest is most at rest with respect to the aether." So we
> > > > were not discussing SR. And since he thinks he can detect the ether
> > > > frame we are not discussing LET either.
>
> > > I did not say the aether frame can be detected, what I wrote and what
> > > you quote above stands on its own.
>
> > > The aether is most at rest with respect to the clock which ticks the
> > > fastest.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Then all you would need to do is determine which clock is ticking
> > fastest and you have found the ether frame. Most people would
> > consider that detecting the ether.
>
> How do you know there isn't a clock somewhere else ticking faster?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

There could be. Problem is, how do you measure it? LET says that
clocks at rest in the ether tick the fastest, but due to distortions
and how things are measured they will be measured to tick slower than
the clocks doing the measuring.

Would you be interested in an explaination of how the traveling twin
ends up with less elapsed time on his clock *without his clock slowing
down*?

From: mpc755 on 13 Mar 2010 15:33

On Mar 13, 2:52 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 1:37 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 1:34 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 13, 1:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 13, 1:28 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 13, 3:30 am, "Peter Webb"
>
> > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > > > > If they are not directly across from each other you are making
> > > > > > assumptions about the speed of light carrying the signal. If you use
> > > > > > two clocks you made assumptions about the speed of light when you
> > > > > > synchronized the two clocks.
>
> > > > > > _____________________________
> > > > > > When solving problems in SR or LET, you don't have to assume the speed of
> > > > > > light is constant. You know it is.
>
> > > > > In response to both you and Inertial, mpc755 wrote, "The clock which
> > > > > ticks the fastest is most at rest with respect to the aether." So we
> > > > > were not discussing SR. And since he thinks he can detect the ether
> > > > > frame we are not discussing LET either.
>
> > > > I did not say the aether frame can be detected, what I wrote and what
> > > > you quote above stands on its own.
>
> > > > The aether is most at rest with respect to the clock which ticks the
> > > > fastest.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Then all you would need to do is determine which clock is ticking
> > > fastest and you have found the ether frame. Most people would
> > > consider that detecting the ether.
>
> > How do you know there isn't a clock somewhere else ticking faster?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> There could be. Problem is, how do you measure it? LET says that
> clocks at rest in the ether tick the fastest, but due to distortions
> and how things are measured they will be measured to tick slower than
> the clocks doing the measuring.
>

And that is why LET is incomplete.

In AD, the clock on the train will be measured to be ticking slower
than the clock on the embankment by both the Observer on the train and
the Observer on the embankment.

> Would you be interested in an explaination of how the traveling twin
> ends up with less elapsed time on his clock *without his clock slowing
> down*?

Time is a concept. Would you be interested in understanding what is
physically occurring in nature for the traveling twins clock to
physically tick slower?

The traveling twins clock ticks slower because it is under a greater
amount of aether pressure than the clock which remains on the Earth.
This additional aether pressure the traveling clock is under causes
the traveling clock to physically tick slower.