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From: mpc755 on 28 Mar 2010 13:38

From: mpc755 on 28 Mar 2010 13:47

On Mar 28, 1:01 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 3:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Time is a concept. Would you be interested in understanding what is
> > physically occurring in nature for the traveling twins clock to
> > physically tick slower?
>
> > The traveling twins clock ticks slower because it is under a greater
> > amount of aether pressure than the clock which remains on the Earth.
> > This additional aether pressure the traveling clock is under causes
> > the traveling clock to physically tick slower.
>
> I agree with your view of Aether pressure. It is logical and
> quantifiable.
>
> To further expand on your idea, time is a function of matter. Without
> matter there is no time. If matter is sped up, Aether pressure
> increases (with a maximum pressure at the speed of light), and matter
> functions more slowly.
>
> It is the observation of the matter, which gives the appearance of
> slow moving time. And one must ask, "speeding matter is moving slower
> relative to what?" It is moving slower than matter under less Aether
> pressure.
>
> However, it is not the speed of the object that is moving slower.
> After all, it is moving closer to the speed of light, which is pretty
> fast. But rather, it is the cyclical processes of the subatomic
> particles that are moving slower. And since subatomic particles
> compose atoms, and atoms compose molecules, and molecules compose
> greater structures, matter traveling near the speed of light will
> experience a slower passage of time.
>
> However, the space surrounding the matter does not age any faster or
> slower. In fact, in order for a speed limit for photons and matter to
> exist, space must constantly oscillate at a fixed frequency. Also,
> space must be oscillating at a fixed frequency in order for subatomic
> particles to have a fixed frequency and exhibit the properties of half
> spin.
>
> The fact that subatomic particles have half spin requires than the
> oscillation of space (Aether) must exist in more dimensions than the
> physical world we experience. And since the missing dimension occurs
> with regard to particle spin, the missing dimension must be a
> frequency (reciprocal time) dimension, not a length or reciprocal
> length dimension.
>
> In the Aether Physics Model, I have provided an abundance of evidence
> and quantification that the Universe exists in a five-dimensional
> space-resonance, rather than a four-dimensional space-time. Space-
> time is what the Universe looks like from the perspective of matter.
> Space-resonance is what the Universe looks like from the perspective
> of Aether.
>
> Dave
> www.secrets-of-the-aether.com

I see no reason for more than three dimensions in physics. I see
physics as the 'physics of nature'. Discussions involving more than
three dimensional space are fine, I just think they should be part of
something other than the 'physics of nature'.

Something as simple as E=mc^2 is explained in three dimensional space.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
EINSTEIN'
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three
dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
and matter is energy.

From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 00:28

On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at
> > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time.
>
> > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has
> > time changed?
>
> > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time
> > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in
> > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true
> > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is
> > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists.
>
> I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure.
> And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality.
> However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal.
>
> The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency. The frequency of the
> atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be
> provable in an Earth-based lab. All it would take would be a strong
> magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied,
> which would create the necessary Aether pressure.
>
> There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the
> Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks
> when testing for the GR effect. Further, the matter of the Earth is
> entrained with the Aether surrounding it. This causes the Aether to
> drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect. Moving in
> the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure
> than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation.
>
> Dave
> www.secrets-of-the-aether.com

Almost.

Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a
greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the
Earth's rotation, westward.

The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the
matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to
the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating
Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see'
the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to
west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still
'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the
Earth.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html

"Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the
flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and
gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors
are the corresponding standard deviations."

Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the
'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a
greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock
to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is
flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the
Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the
atomic clock to tick faster.

I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to
note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether
is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one
something.

Thanks.

p.s. put "http://" in front of www.secrets-of-the-aether.com to get
there directly from google groups.

From: BURT on 29 Mar 2010 00:58

On Mar 28, 9:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at
> > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time.
>
> > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has
> > > time changed?
>
> > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time
> > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in
> > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true
> > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is
> > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists.
>
> > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure.
> > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality.
> > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal.
>
> > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency. The frequency of the
> > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be
> > provable in an Earth-based lab. All it would take would be a strong
> > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied,
> > which would create the necessary Aether pressure.
>
> > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the
> > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks
> > when testing for the GR effect. Further, the matter of the Earth is
> > entrained with the Aether surrounding it. This causes the Aether to
> > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect. Moving in
> > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure
> > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation.
>
> > Dave
> >www.secrets-of-the-aether.com
>
> Almost.
>
> Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a
> greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the
> Earth's rotation, westward.

If gravity is aether pressure would not gravity be different on
opposite sides of the Earth where turning is in the opposite
direction?

Mitch Raemsch

> The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the
> matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to
> the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating
> Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see'
> the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to
> west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still
> 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the
> Earth.
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html
>
> "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the
> flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and
> gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors
> are the corresponding standard deviations."
>
> Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the
> 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a
> greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock
> to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is
> flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the
> Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the
> atomic clock to tick faster.
>
> I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to
> note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether
> is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one
> something.
>
> Thanks.
>
> p.s. put "http://" in front ofwww.secrets-of-the-aether.comto get
> there directly from google groups.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 01:30

On Mar 29, 12:58 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 9:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at
> > > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time.
>
> > > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has
> > > > time changed?
>
> > > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time
> > > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in
> > > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true
> > > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is
> > > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists.
>
> > > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure.
> > > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality.
> > > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal.
>
> > > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency. The frequency of the
> > > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be
> > > provable in an Earth-based lab. All it would take would be a strong
> > > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied,
> > > which would create the necessary Aether pressure.
>
> > > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the
> > > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks
> > > when testing for the GR effect. Further, the matter of the Earth is
> > > entrained with the Aether surrounding it. This causes the Aether to
> > > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect. Moving in
> > > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure
> > > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation.
>
> > > Dave
> > >www.secrets-of-the-aether.com
>
> > Almost.
>
> > Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a
> > greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the
> > Earth's rotation, westward.
>
> If gravity is aether pressure would not gravity be different on
> opposite sides of the Earth where turning is in the opposite
> direction?
>
> Mitch Raemsch
>

The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. This aether is
displacing back equally to each and every part of the Earth. The
interaction of the Earth and the aether is occurring over such great
distances that I would expect the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the
impact that has on the displaced aether in terms of gravity to be
negligible.

> > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the
> > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to
> > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating
> > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see'
> > the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to
> > west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still
> > 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the
> > Earth.
>
> >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html
>
> > "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the
> > flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and
> > gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors
> > are the corresponding standard deviations."
>
> > Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the
> > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a
> > greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock
> > to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is
> > flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the
> > Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the
> > atomic clock to tick faster.
>
> > I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to
> > note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether
> > is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one
> > something.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > p.s. put "http://" in front ofwww.secrets-of-the-aether.comtoget
> > there directly from google groups.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>