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From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 01:38
On Mar 29, 12:58 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 9:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at
> > > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time.
>
> > > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has
> > > > time changed?
>
> > > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time
> > > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in
> > > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true
> > > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is
> > > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists.
>
> > > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure.
> > > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality.
> > > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal.
>
> > > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency.  The frequency of the
> > > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be
> > > provable in an Earth-based lab.  All it would take would be a strong
> > > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied,
> > > which would create the necessary Aether pressure.
>
> > > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the
> > > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks
> > > when testing for the GR effect.  Further, the matter of the Earth is
> > > entrained with the Aether surrounding it.  This causes the Aether to
> > > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect.  Moving in
> > > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure
> > > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation.
>
> > > Dave
> > >www.secrets-of-the-aether.com
>
> > Almost.
>
> > Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a
> > greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the
> > Earth's rotation, westward.
>
> If gravity is aether pressure would not gravity be different on
> opposite sides of the Earth where turning is in the opposite
> direction?
>
> Mitch Raemsch
>

You are confusing 'entrainment' with displacement. Aether
'entrainment' is not responsible for gravity. Aether Displacement is
responsible for gravity.

The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. This aether is
displacing back equally to each and every part of the Earth. The
interaction of the Earth and the aether is occurring over such great
distances that I would expect the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the
impact that has on the displaced aether in terms of gravity to be
negligible.

> > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the
> > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to
> > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating
> > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see'
> > the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to
> > west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still
> > 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the
> > Earth.
>
> >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html
>
> > "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the
> > flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and
> > gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors
> > are the corresponding standard deviations."
>
> > Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the
> > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a
> > greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock
> > to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is
> > flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the
> > Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the
> > atomic clock to tick faster.
>
> > I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to
> > note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether
> > is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one
> > something.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > p.s. put "http://" in front ofwww.secrets-of-the-aether.comtoget
> > there directly from google groups.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>

From: BURT on 29 Mar 2010 03:17
On Mar 28, 10:38 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 12:58 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 9:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at
> > > > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time.
>
> > > > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has
> > > > > time changed?
>
> > > > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time
> > > > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in
> > > > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true
> > > > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is
> > > > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists.
>
> > > > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure..
> > > > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality.
> > > > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal.
>
> > > > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency.  The frequency of the
> > > > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be
> > > > provable in an Earth-based lab.  All it would take would be a strong
> > > > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied,
> > > > which would create the necessary Aether pressure.
>
> > > > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the
> > > > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks
> > > > when testing for the GR effect.  Further, the matter of the Earth is
> > > > entrained with the Aether surrounding it.  This causes the Aether to
> > > > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect.  Moving in
> > > > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure
> > > > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation.
>
> > > > Dave
> > > >www.secrets-of-the-aether.com
>
> > > Almost.
>
> > > Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a
> > > greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the
> > > Earth's rotation, westward.
>
> > If gravity is aether pressure would not gravity be different on
> > opposite sides of the Earth where turning is in the opposite
> > direction?
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> You are confusing 'entrainment' with displacement. Aether
> 'entrainment' is not responsible for gravity. Aether Displacement is
> responsible for gravity.
>
> The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. This aether is
> displacing back equally to each and every part of the Earth. The
> interaction of the Earth and the aether is occurring over such great
> distances that I would expect the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the
> impact that has on the displaced aether in terms of gravity to be
> negligible.
>
>
>
> > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the
> > > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to
> > > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating
> > > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see'
> > > the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to
> > > west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still
> > > 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the
> > > Earth.
>
> > >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html
>
> > > "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the
> > > flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and
> > > gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors
> > > are the corresponding standard deviations."
>
> > > Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the
> > > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a
> > > greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock
> > > to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is
> > > flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the
> > > Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the
> > > atomic clock to tick faster.
>
> > > I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to
> > > note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether
> > > is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one
> > > something.
>
> > > Thanks.
>
> > > p.s. put "http://" in front ofwww.secrets-of-the-aether.comtoget
> > > there directly from google groups.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If one side of the Earth has a greater pressure than the other the
same gravity should then be different when it is not.

Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 10:21
On Mar 29, 3:17 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 10:38 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 12:58 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 28, 9:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 28, 1:12 pm, David Thomson <aetherwiz...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 13, 7:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I am divorcing time as a dimension. Time is a concept. The rate at
> > > > > > which a clock ticks has nothing to do with time.
>
> > > > > > If you own a battery operated clock and it begins to tick slower has
> > > > > > time changed?
>
> > > > > > No, time has not changed. You replace the batteries. You 'know' time
> > > > > > has not changed because you understand what has occurred physically in
> > > > > > nature in order to cause the clock to tick slower. The same is true
> > > > > > for an atomic clock. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is
> > > > > > dependent upon the aether pressure in which it exists.
>
> > > > > I agree with your view of time being dependent upon Aether pressure.
> > > > > And I also agree time is more of a concept than a physical reality.
> > > > > However, frequency is a real dimension and time is its reciprocal..
>
> > > > > The rate of an atomic clock is its frequency.  The frequency of the
> > > > > atomic clock will vary as Aether pressure varies, and this should be
> > > > > provable in an Earth-based lab.  All it would take would be a strong
> > > > > magnetic, electrostatic, or gravitational field properly applied,
> > > > > which would create the necessary Aether pressure.
>
> > > > > There is also a gradient of Aether pressure as one moves away from the
> > > > > Earth's center of gravity, which has been verified with atomic clocks
> > > > > when testing for the GR effect.  Further, the matter of the Earth is
> > > > > entrained with the Aether surrounding it.  This causes the Aether to
> > > > > drag along with the Earth, thus causing the Sagnac effect.  Moving in
> > > > > the direction of the Earth rotation causes a lower Aether pressure
> > > > > than moving in the direction against the Earth's rotation.
>
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >www.secrets-of-the-aether.com
>
> > > > Almost.
>
> > > > Moving in the direction of the Earth's rotation, eastward, causes a
> > > > greater Aether pressure than moving in the direction against the
> > > > Earth's rotation, westward.
>
> > > If gravity is aether pressure would not gravity be different on
> > > opposite sides of the Earth where turning is in the opposite
> > > direction?
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > You are confusing 'entrainment' with displacement. Aether
> > 'entrainment' is not responsible for gravity. Aether Displacement is
> > responsible for gravity.
>
> > The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. This aether is
> > displacing back equally to each and every part of the Earth. The
> > interaction of the Earth and the aether is occurring over such great
> > distances that I would expect the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the
> > impact that has on the displaced aether in terms of gravity to be
> > negligible.
>
> > > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the
> > > > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to
> > > > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating
> > > > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. If you could 'see'
> > > > the aether it would appear as if the aether were 'flowing' east to
> > > > west compared to the surface of the Earth. The aether is still
> > > > 'flowing' west to east but not the same rate as the surface of the
> > > > Earth.
>
> > > >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Relativ/airtim.html
>
> > > > "Relative to the atomic time scale of the U.S. Naval Observatory, the
> > > > flying clocks lost 59+/-10 nanoseconds during the eastward trip and
> > > > gained 273+/-7 nanosecond during the westward trip, where the errors
> > > > are the corresponding standard deviations."
>
> > > > Flying with the Earth's rotation, eastward, is flying against the
> > > > 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the Earth, causing a
> > > > greater Aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the atomic clock
> > > > to tick slower. Flying against the Earth's rotation, westward, is
> > > > flying with the 'flow' of aether, relative to the surface of the
> > > > Earth, causing a lower aether pressure on the atomic clock causing the
> > > > atomic clock to tick faster.
>
> > > > I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to
> > > > note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether
> > > > is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one
> > > > something.
>
> > > > Thanks.
>
> > > > p.s. put "http://" in front ofwww.secrets-of-the-aether.comtoget
> > > > there directly from google groups.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If one side of the Earth has a greater pressure than the other the
> same gravity should then be different when it is not.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

The aether pressure is equally applied to each and every part of the
Earth.

You are confusing 'entrainment' with displacement. Aether
'entrainment' is not responsible for gravity. Aether Displacement is
responsible for gravity.

The Earth displaces the aether far past the Moon. This aether is
displacing back equally to each and every part of the Earth. The
interaction of the Earth and the aether is occurring over such great
distances that I would expect the Earth's orbit around the Sun and the
impact that has on the displaced aether in terms of gravity to be
negligible.

You are confusing the aether pressure associated with gravity with the
aether pressure associated with an airplane which is flying with
respect to the aether.
From: paparios on 29 Mar 2010 12:05
On 29 mar, 11:33, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 11:30 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote:
>
> I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to
> note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether
> is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one
> something.

In any case, as unmeasurable as your brain. In both cases it is better
to assume it does not exist!!!

Miguel Rios
From: mpc755 on 29 Mar 2010 12:08
On Mar 29, 12:05 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 29 mar, 11:33, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 29, 11:30 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote:
>
> > I place quotes around terms like 'entrainment', 'flow', and 'drag' to
> > note I am not 100% sure this is exactly what the state of the aether
> > is in terms of the concepts the terms denote. The aether may be a one
> > something.
>
> In any case, as unmeasurable as your brain. In both cases it is better
> to assume it does not exist!!!
>
> Miguel Rios

The following explains what is occurring in nature in the
'experimental realization of Wheeler's delayed-choice Gedanken
Experiment'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie

"This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that
any moving particle or object had an associated wave."

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
by the double solution theory
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the
wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case
of an external field acting on the particle."

"This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present
theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave
where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite
natural that the defined by ai exp(i:Ái=~) with ai and Ái real.
internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as
that of the wave at the point where the particle is located."

de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave
and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of
the wave.

In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment
the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and
exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits.

For example, in the image on the right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment
There are waves propagating both the red and blue paths towards D0.
One of the downgraded photon 'particles' is traveling either the red
or blue path towards D0. The lens causes the waves to create
interference which alters the direction the particle travels. One set
of downgraded photons is creating one of the interference patterns at
D0 and the other set of downgraded photons is creating the other.

It's all very easy to understand once you realize 'delayed-choice',
'quantum eraser', and the future determining the past is simply
misinterpreting what is occurring in nature.

In the image on the right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment
When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be
conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained.
This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums.
We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the
other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons
travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon
travels either the red or blue path towards the prism.

There are physical waves in the aether propagating both the red and
blue paths. The aether waves propagating towards D0 interact with the
lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The aether waves
create interference which alters the direction the photon travels
prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference patterns
being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons when they
arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated with the
'down' photons when they arrive at D0.

Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3.
Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave
in the aether to interfere with and there is no interference pattern
and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down' photon being
detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the photons
arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs to. The
same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4.

Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at
D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons
arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for
photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and
pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down'
photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons
arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the aether traveling both
the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the aether
waves create interference which alters the direction the photon
travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all
'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created
which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are
creating at D0.

Figures 3 and 4 here:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf
Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you
were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the
valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the
original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain
the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums.

Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the
aether are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the paths
are combined the waves create interference which alters the direction
the photon 'particle' travels.

Experiments which are evidence of Aether Displacement:

Experiment #1:

Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters
BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with
BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb.
Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a,
D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through
BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and
propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the
photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the
corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference
pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the
photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will
form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons
are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b,
and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of
detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even
need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the
interference patterns created at D0.

Experiment #2:

Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created,
have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have
detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a
photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether
wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other
slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon
'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit.
Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating
along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether
wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the
aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create
interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the
direction the photon 'particle' travels.

Your inability to physically explain the following is evidence you
feign hypothesis:

- The future determining the past
- Virtual particles which exist out of nothing
- Conservation of momentum does not apply to a downgraded photon pair
- A C-60 molecule can enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits
simultaneously without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having
a change in momentum.
- Matter causes physical space to be 'unflat' but not move

The following are the most correct physical explanations to date:

- A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate
aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits
- The aether displaced by the matter which are the plates extends
past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced
by the plates forces the plates together
- Conservation of momentum does apply to a downgraded photon pair.
When a photon is detected its wave collapses which determines its
spin. In order for the original photons momentum to be conserved,
the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums.
- A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate
aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits
- Physical space is displaced by matter. Aether is displaced by
matter.
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