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From: mpc755 on 14 Mar 2010 14:21
On Mar 14, 1:41 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 12:48 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 14, 12:43 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 14, 11:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 14, 3:17 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 14, 1:19 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 14, 12:54 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 13, 10:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Mar 13, 7:56 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > What I am referring to in terms of the concept of time is the rate at
> > > > > > > > which a clock ticks is not time.
>
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_pendulum_clock
>
> > > > > > > See the four weights that have mass just like a bullet,
> > > > > > > and the spring that stores energy just like gun powder.
>
> > > > > > "However they are difficult to set up and are usually not as accurate
> > > > > > as clocks with ordinary pendulums. One reason is that the oscillation
> > > > > > period of the torsion pendulum changes with temperature due to
> > > > > > temperature-dependent change in elasticity of the spring. The rate of
> > > > > > the clock can be made faster or slower by an adjustment screw
> > > > > > mechanism on the torsion pendulum that moves the weight balls in or
> > > > > > out from the axis."
>
> > > > > > Similar to the need to adjust an atomic clock based upon the aether
> > > > > > pressure in which it exists.
>
> > > > > No... More like this:
>
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator
>
> > > > > Torsion pendulumhttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/301/lectures/node139.html
>
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentumhttp://en.wikipedia.org/...
>
> > > > > When the winner of a drag race finishes with more fuel
> > > > > than the looser, then time has changed.
>
> > > > > Sue...
>
> > > > Whatever clock you use will 'tick' based upon the aether pressure in
> > > > which it exists.
>
> > > > Since you understand why your battery operated clock physically ticks
> > > > slower (i.e. because it requires a new batter) you understand time has
> > > > not changed.
>
> > > > Just because you refuse to understand an atomic clock 'ticks' based
> > > > upon the aether pressure in which it exists does not mean time has
> > > > changed.
>
> > > When the winner of a drag race finishes with more fuel
> > > than the looser, then time has changed.
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem#Applications
>
> > > Sue...
>
> > Maybe the winner simply had a better dragster.
>
> > You choose to believe when a battery operated clock begins to 'tick'
> > slower time does not change but when an atomic clock 'ticks' slower
> > time does change, why? Why is it because you understand what is
> > physically occurring to the battery operated clock you know time does
> > not change but since you choose to remain ignorant as to what occurs
> > to the atomic clock in order to cause it to physically tick slower you
> > choose to believe time does change?
>
> > Why does ignorance count in physics? Why does choosing to remain
> > ignorant allow you to believe time does change for an atomic clock?
>
> > Why is it that when the correct explanation as to what occurs
> > physically in nature to a battery operated clock you choose to believe
> > it is correct and time does not change but when the correct
> > explanation as to what occurs physically in nature to an atomic clock
> > you choose not to believe it in order to remain ignorant in order to
> > continue to incorrectly believe time changes?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I offered to show you how a clock can end up with fewer ticks without
> slowing down.  So why are you blathering on about a clock slowing?

I am explaining to you what you get once you realize LET is
incomplete. If you prefer to remain ignorant as to what causes gravity
and what occurs physically in double slit, 'delayed choice', and
'quantum eraser' experiments and what occurs physically in nature to
cause atomic clocks to tick at different rates that is up to you.
From: BURT on 14 Mar 2010 22:15
On Mar 14, 11:21 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 1:41 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 14, 12:48 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 14, 12:43 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 14, 11:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 14, 3:17 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 14, 1:19 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 14, 12:54 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 10:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Mar 13, 7:56 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > What I am referring to in terms of the concept of time is the rate at
> > > > > > > > > which a clock ticks is not time.
>
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_pendulum_clock
>
> > > > > > > > See the four weights that have mass just like a bullet,
> > > > > > > > and the spring that stores energy just like gun powder.
>
> > > > > > > "However they are difficult to set up and are usually not as accurate
> > > > > > > as clocks with ordinary pendulums. One reason is that the oscillation
> > > > > > > period of the torsion pendulum changes with temperature due to
> > > > > > > temperature-dependent change in elasticity of the spring. The rate of
> > > > > > > the clock can be made faster or slower by an adjustment screw
> > > > > > > mechanism on the torsion pendulum that moves the weight balls in or
> > > > > > > out from the axis."
>
> > > > > > > Similar to the need to adjust an atomic clock based upon the aether
> > > > > > > pressure in which it exists.
>
> > > > > > No... More like this:
>
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator
>
> > > > > > Torsion pendulumhttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/301/lectures/node139.html
>
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentumhttp://en.wikipedia..org/...
>
> > > > > > When the winner of a drag race finishes with more fuel
> > > > > > than the looser, then time has changed.
>
> > > > > > Sue...
>
> > > > > Whatever clock you use will 'tick' based upon the aether pressure in
> > > > > which it exists.
>
> > > > > Since you understand why your battery operated clock physically ticks
> > > > > slower (i.e. because it requires a new batter) you understand time has
> > > > > not changed.
>
> > > > > Just because you refuse to understand an atomic clock 'ticks' based
> > > > > upon the aether pressure in which it exists does not mean time has
> > > > > changed.
>
> > > > When the winner of a drag race finishes with more fuel
> > > > than the looser, then time has changed.
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem#Applications
>
> > > > Sue...
>
> > > Maybe the winner simply had a better dragster.
>
> > > You choose to believe when a battery operated clock begins to 'tick'
> > > slower time does not change but when an atomic clock 'ticks' slower
> > > time does change, why? Why is it because you understand what is
> > > physically occurring to the battery operated clock you know time does
> > > not change but since you choose to remain ignorant as to what occurs
> > > to the atomic clock in order to cause it to physically tick slower you
> > > choose to believe time does change?
>
> > > Why does ignorance count in physics? Why does choosing to remain
> > > ignorant allow you to believe time does change for an atomic clock?
>
> > > Why is it that when the correct explanation as to what occurs
> > > physically in nature to a battery operated clock you choose to believe
> > > it is correct and time does not change but when the correct
> > > explanation as to what occurs physically in nature to an atomic clock
> > > you choose not to believe it in order to remain ignorant in order to
> > > continue to incorrectly believe time changes?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I offered to show you how a clock can end up with fewer ticks without
> > slowing down.  So why are you blathering on about a clock slowing?
>
> I am explaining to you what you get once you realize LET is
> incomplete. If you prefer to remain ignorant as to what causes gravity
> and what occurs physically in double slit, 'delayed choice', and
> 'quantum eraser' experiments and what occurs physically in nature to
> cause atomic clocks to tick at different rates that is up to you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Motion gravity is not aether pressure but slower aether flow over
energy due to energy speed changes. Creating original speed by
creating motion always creates weight. At its onset motion is
detectable. This is motion gravity. God's gravity is his field.

Mitch Raemsch
From: Bruce Richmond on 14 Mar 2010 22:30
On Mar 14, 2:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 1:41 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 14, 12:48 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 14, 12:43 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 14, 11:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 14, 3:17 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 14, 1:19 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 14, 12:54 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 10:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Mar 13, 7:56 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > What I am referring to in terms of the concept of time is the rate at
> > > > > > > > > which a clock ticks is not time.
>
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_pendulum_clock
>
> > > > > > > > See the four weights that have mass just like a bullet,
> > > > > > > > and the spring that stores energy just like gun powder.
>
> > > > > > > "However they are difficult to set up and are usually not as accurate
> > > > > > > as clocks with ordinary pendulums. One reason is that the oscillation
> > > > > > > period of the torsion pendulum changes with temperature due to
> > > > > > > temperature-dependent change in elasticity of the spring. The rate of
> > > > > > > the clock can be made faster or slower by an adjustment screw
> > > > > > > mechanism on the torsion pendulum that moves the weight balls in or
> > > > > > > out from the axis."
>
> > > > > > > Similar to the need to adjust an atomic clock based upon the aether
> > > > > > > pressure in which it exists.
>
> > > > > > No... More like this:
>
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator
>
> > > > > > Torsion pendulumhttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/301/lectures/node139.html
>
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentumhttp://en.wikipedia..org/...
>
> > > > > > When the winner of a drag race finishes with more fuel
> > > > > > than the looser, then time has changed.
>
> > > > > > Sue...
>
> > > > > Whatever clock you use will 'tick' based upon the aether pressure in
> > > > > which it exists.
>
> > > > > Since you understand why your battery operated clock physically ticks
> > > > > slower (i.e. because it requires a new batter) you understand time has
> > > > > not changed.
>
> > > > > Just because you refuse to understand an atomic clock 'ticks' based
> > > > > upon the aether pressure in which it exists does not mean time has
> > > > > changed.
>
> > > > When the winner of a drag race finishes with more fuel
> > > > than the looser, then time has changed.
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem#Applications
>
> > > > Sue...
>
> > > Maybe the winner simply had a better dragster.
>
> > > You choose to believe when a battery operated clock begins to 'tick'
> > > slower time does not change but when an atomic clock 'ticks' slower
> > > time does change, why? Why is it because you understand what is
> > > physically occurring to the battery operated clock you know time does
> > > not change but since you choose to remain ignorant as to what occurs
> > > to the atomic clock in order to cause it to physically tick slower you
> > > choose to believe time does change?
>
> > > Why does ignorance count in physics? Why does choosing to remain
> > > ignorant allow you to believe time does change for an atomic clock?
>
> > > Why is it that when the correct explanation as to what occurs
> > > physically in nature to a battery operated clock you choose to believe
> > > it is correct and time does not change but when the correct
> > > explanation as to what occurs physically in nature to an atomic clock
> > > you choose not to believe it in order to remain ignorant in order to
> > > continue to incorrectly believe time changes?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I offered to show you how a clock can end up with fewer ticks without
> > slowing down.  So why are you blathering on about a clock slowing?
>
> I am explaining to you what you get once you realize LET is
> incomplete. If you prefer to remain ignorant as to what causes gravity
> and what occurs physically in double slit, 'delayed choice', and
> 'quantum eraser' experiments and what occurs physically in nature to
> cause atomic clocks to tick at different rates that is up to you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And I am telling you when you wish to get real there are folks here
that will help you.

[plonk until then]
From: mpc755 on 15 Mar 2010 00:58
On Mar 14, 10:30 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 2:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 14, 1:41 pm, Bruce Richmond <bsr3...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 14, 12:48 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 14, 12:43 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 14, 11:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 14, 3:17 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 14, 1:19 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 14, 12:54 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 10:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Mar 13, 7:56 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > What I am referring to in terms of the concept of time is the rate at
> > > > > > > > > > which a clock ticks is not time.
>
> > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_pendulum_clock
>
> > > > > > > > > See the four weights that have mass just like a bullet,
> > > > > > > > > and the spring that stores energy just like gun powder.
>
> > > > > > > > "However they are difficult to set up and are usually not as accurate
> > > > > > > > as clocks with ordinary pendulums. One reason is that the oscillation
> > > > > > > > period of the torsion pendulum changes with temperature due to
> > > > > > > > temperature-dependent change in elasticity of the spring. The rate of
> > > > > > > > the clock can be made faster or slower by an adjustment screw
> > > > > > > > mechanism on the torsion pendulum that moves the weight balls in or
> > > > > > > > out from the axis."
>
> > > > > > > > Similar to the need to adjust an atomic clock based upon the aether
> > > > > > > > pressure in which it exists.
>
> > > > > > > No... More like this:
>
> > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator
>
> > > > > > > Torsion pendulumhttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/301/lectures/node139.html
>
> > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentumhttp://en.wikipedia.org/...
>
> > > > > > > When the winner of a drag race finishes with more fuel
> > > > > > > than the looser, then time has changed.
>
> > > > > > > Sue...
>
> > > > > > Whatever clock you use will 'tick' based upon the aether pressure in
> > > > > > which it exists.
>
> > > > > > Since you understand why your battery operated clock physically ticks
> > > > > > slower (i.e. because it requires a new batter) you understand time has
> > > > > > not changed.
>
> > > > > > Just because you refuse to understand an atomic clock 'ticks' based
> > > > > > upon the aether pressure in which it exists does not mean time has
> > > > > > changed.
>
> > > > > When the winner of a drag race finishes with more fuel
> > > > > than the looser, then time has changed.
>
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem#Applications
>
> > > > > Sue...
>
> > > > Maybe the winner simply had a better dragster.
>
> > > > You choose to believe when a battery operated clock begins to 'tick'
> > > > slower time does not change but when an atomic clock 'ticks' slower
> > > > time does change, why? Why is it because you understand what is
> > > > physically occurring to the battery operated clock you know time does
> > > > not change but since you choose to remain ignorant as to what occurs
> > > > to the atomic clock in order to cause it to physically tick slower you
> > > > choose to believe time does change?
>
> > > > Why does ignorance count in physics? Why does choosing to remain
> > > > ignorant allow you to believe time does change for an atomic clock?
>
> > > > Why is it that when the correct explanation as to what occurs
> > > > physically in nature to a battery operated clock you choose to believe
> > > > it is correct and time does not change but when the correct
> > > > explanation as to what occurs physically in nature to an atomic clock
> > > > you choose not to believe it in order to remain ignorant in order to
> > > > continue to incorrectly believe time changes?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I offered to show you how a clock can end up with fewer ticks without
> > > slowing down.  So why are you blathering on about a clock slowing?
>
> > I am explaining to you what you get once you realize LET is
> > incomplete. If you prefer to remain ignorant as to what causes gravity
> > and what occurs physically in double slit, 'delayed choice', and
> > 'quantum eraser' experiments and what occurs physically in nature to
> > cause atomic clocks to tick at different rates that is up to you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> And I am telling you when you wish to get real there are folks here
> that will help you.
>
> [plonk until then]

And I am telling you I understand what causes gravity. I understand
what physically occurs in double slit, 'delayed choice', and 'quantum
eraser' experiments. I understand what occurs physically in nature to
cause atomic clocks to tick at different rates.

When you are ready to understand such things all you need to do is
ask. All you need to realize is LET is incomplete.

In AD, the pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive
objects is gravity.

In AD, a moving particle has an associated aether wave and a moving
particle of matter has an associated aether displacement wave.

In AD, the pressure associated with the aether is responsible for the
rate at which atomic clocks tick.
From: spudnik on 15 Mar 2010 15:45
if you really grok gravity,
what is a prediction that you can make
(for either a)
"gravity waves" or b)
"gravitons," but not both at the same math) ??

however, don't consider the need of aether
for a "particle of light," which is nothing,
but a misconsideration of the whole idea of waves
(for, if there were such particles,
you'd be bound to consider anti-photons;
would you not?)

> A moving particle has an associated aether wave. A moving particle of
> matter has an associated aether displacement wave. The observed
> behaviors in a double slit, 'quantum eraser', or 'delayed choice'
> experiment are due to the interference created when the paths the
> aether waves propagate are combined which alters the direction the
> particle travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the
> associated aether wave and there is no interference.

thus:
nah; he'll learn from his mistake, and
retire for a couple of years to a monastery
with no net access & a book or two.

thus:
see the book by Lerner, _The Big Bang Never -- just kidding.

it seems taht he has a hotkey/macro to insert that phraseology,
but there is a case to be made for some of it, or,
just "herr docktor-professor Albert, the Showman." of course,
it doesn't do much for his own Theory of Nuthin'; eh?

anyway, Eisntein's biggest blunder was
with "homopolar generators," and getting in over his head
with Maxwell's wunnerful theory, which is also problematic;
or, so saith my school (and Schroedinger's cat,
in Meowse Code .-)

thus:
proabably most of the interpretation
of the EPR "paradox" results a la Alain Aspect
et al, is due to the ideal of a photon,
in assinging all of the energy of the wave-front
as a "mass" (electron-voltage, say) to a particle, whence
the wave-energy was somehow "caught" by the photo-
eletrical device. here are two ways to get over this: a)
just consider the practice of audio quantization, the phonon; b)
show how the photoelectrical device is actually tuned
to absorb a particular frequency of light (wave).
so, is the "phonon" just one cycle of the period
of the sound, and like-wise, is the photon just
one cycle of the frequency?

--Light: A History!
http://wlym.com

--Weber's electron, Moon's nucleus!
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/

--The Ides of March Are Coming:
Pro-Impeachment Democrat
Wins Nomination in Texas!
http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2010/lar_pac/100303kesha_victory.html
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