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From: ExterminateAllRepubliKKKans on 12 Aug 2007 01:33 "z" <gzuckier(a)snail-mail.net> wrote > I kep thinking of the narrator in "Plan 9 from Outer Space". > "Impossible, my friends? But can you prove it didn't happen?" > Ya, they got us there, alright. Anything is possible. I'm giving up > this science scam and going to clown college. Ya, that's about the state of their expertise and knowledge. All the denialst camp has left to offer is scientifically illiterate losers, KKKonservative kooks, and Perpetual Liars. You can see the GW Denialist movement rapidly dying out. as each season progresses. This is exactly the same pattern as we saw with the Ozone destruction denialists. Many of whom were corporate liars for hire who have been hired into the Global Warming Denialism business.
From: ExterminateAllRepubliKKKans on 12 Aug 2007 01:37 <kdthrge(a)yahoo.com> wrote > This man is a valid scientist. That still doesn't make him immune to being a fool. Rule #1 in experimental science. Don't confuse noise with signal. You apparently don't know the difference.
From: ExterminateAllRepubliKKKans on 17 Aug 2007 16:03 <kdthrge(a)yahoo.com> wrote > According to this logic we should listen to an expert in the science > of ice cores and his analyses of the contempory science > regarding the analyses of the CO2 in the ice cores. In particular his > scientific analyses of > the Mann hockey stick which became the basis for the ICPP in 2001. Arctic sea ice 'lowest in recorded history': scientist by Paul Handley Fri Aug 10, 4:12 PM ET WASHINGTON (AFP) - Sea ice in the northern hemisphere has plunged to the lowest levels ever measured, a US Arctic specialist said Friday, adding that it was likely part of the long-term trend of polar ice melt driven by global warming. University of Illinois Champaign-Urbana Arctic climate expert William Chapman told AFP that Arctic sea ice had plunged to new lows some 30 days before the normal point of the annual minimum. He also said that with a lower ice cover and fewer clouds this year, the waters of the Arctic are being exposed to more intense sunlight, further warming them. "As of yesterday and today ... we have set a historical low for sea ice in the northern hemisphere," he said. Chapman, a researcher on Arctic meteorology of the university's Department of Atmospheric Sciences, wrote Thursday in the online publication "The Cryosphere Today" that the new record comes a full month before the historic summer minimum typically occurs during the first or second week of September. "There is still a month or more of melt likely this year. It is therefore almost certain that the previous 2005 record will be annihilated by the final 2007 annual minima closer to the end of this summer." ....
From: ExterminateAllRepubliKKKans on 17 Aug 2007 16:11 <kdthrge(a)yahoo.com> wrote >.In these graphs, concentration increase is nearly linear. > There is even a slight decrease in yearly concentration increases in > the 1990's. Ahahaha... kdthrge - true to his ever lying form, responds to graphics on a page that no longer exists. "Sorry, the page you're trying to reach no longer exists." <kdthrge(a)yahoo.com> wrote > IN the meantime, CO2 has absolutely no effect on the temperature of > the earth or atmosphere. And now his obligatory denial of basic physics, proving his grade school level of science education. Meanwhile the globe continues to warm.... Heat Wave Kills 41 in South, Midwest Aug 17 12:34 PM US/Eastern By BETH RUCKER Associated Press Writer NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Residents across the South and Midwest were hopeful that the weekend would bring some relief from brutal temperatures that have killed more than three dozen people and set records for power demand. Forecasters expected temperatures in Memphis and other parts of the Mississippi Valley on Friday to drop slightly, into the 90s, a relief from several consecutive days of triple digits. In Tennessee, the Shelby County medical examiner's office confirmed Friday that heat caused the death of a 77-year-old woman found in her home the day before, bringing the death toll in Memphis alone to nine. In all, 41 deaths in the South and Midwest have been confirmed as heat-related, and other deaths are suspected, authorities said. The Tennessee Valley Authority, the nation's largest public utility, shut down one of three units at the Browns Ferry nuclear plant in Athens, Ala., on Thursday because water drawn from the Tennessee River was exceeding a 90-degree average over 24 hours. "We don't believe we've ever shut down a nuclear unit because of river temperature," said John Moulton, spokesman for the Knoxville, Tenn.- based utility. .... Last summer, a heat wave killed at least 50 people in the Midwest and East. California officially reported a death toll of 143, but authorities last month acknowledged the number may have been far higher. A 1995 heat wave in Chicago was blamed for 700 deaths.
From: pgarrone on 18 Aug 2007 20:50
On Jul 28, 4:18 pm, owl <church...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 27, 11:57 pm, kdth...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > > So throw down on some none lies and irrelevancy on this SIMPLE TOPIC > > of the changing temperatures and CO2 levels according to the ice cores > > which show the lag of about 900 yrs for CO2 to temperature. > > The lag only relates to the emergence from the glaciation temperature > trough. The estimates have a range, and 800 is the best guess so far > - one oceanic cycle. > > > Even at the times that temperature and CO2 are both rising, no effect > > can be discerned on the temperature gradient from the increasing CO2. > > Well, if you put it that way, you've just disproved the albedo effect > as well. Unless you want to restart the science, three major factors > were at work - Milankovich cycles, albedo changes, and rising > greenhouse gas effects. The ice core records (correlated for the > Antarctic and Greenland) lay it out as a gentle nudge warming effect > in the Antarctic, then GHGs start rising, then deglaciation in the > northern Hemisphere proceeds. It makes sense, but it sure puts a bee > in the bonnet of the 'no GHG-effect' argument, because Milankovich on > its own doesn't appear to cause the globe to roll over so its effect > can refocus on the north (there's no reversal in the trend in the > Antarctic), and the major northern albedo effect can't self-start. It > could, however, be responding to step 2 - the greenhouse effect. > > The other irritation is the GRIP data pointing to some short-term > sudden fluctuations in temperature increases - I'd be tempted to lean > towards airborne sources for the kind of thing. > > > When the temperature drops occur, there is very little correlation. > > Only the very long term diminishment. > > Not sure where you got that from, but the work of Cuffey and Vimieux > might interest you:- > > "Using a model that corrects for this effect, we derive a new estimate > for the covariation of CO2 and temperature, of r2 = 0.89 for the past > 150kyr and r2 = 0.84 for the period 350-150kyr ago."http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001Natur.412..523C > > > This proves no cause of temperature fluctuation from CO2. > > It doesn't prove no cause. The pattern match of temp and GHG is there, > isn't it? You're attempting to make the relationship either > temperature drives CO2 level, or it's all one big, happy, co- > incidence. If temperature drives CO2 in the way you describe, the > Sahara Desert made it to Stockholm about the year 1200 ... what's for > desert? > (I'll leave the one big happy co-incidence up for grabs.) Got some questions and comments. Let me outline my understanding of the conventional science, which is probably incomplete. The earth has varying periods of glaciation. At this point, we are about 11 thousand years after the end of the last ice-age, forced by the orbital mechanics of the Milankovitch cycle. The end of the ice-age involves some sort of positive-feedback reaction that is asymmetric as the heating is more abrupt than the cooling. The cause in this asymmetry lies in deglaciation being on a different timescale to gradual annual accumulation of snow and ice. The accepted science is that the positive feedback causal agent is GHG increases temperature increases GHG. 1) I do not understand how the lag between CO2 and temperature is explained. They should be in lock-step if CO2 is a causal agent. 2) Positive feedback responses cease only when the feedback breaks down. Either CO2 has ceased being responsive to temperature, or temperature has ceased being responsive to CO2. Since it is accepted that temperature is responsive to CO2, how has CO2 ceased being responsive to temperature? 3) The positive feedback loop need to have an asymmetric mechanism, otherwise there would be a square-wave instead of a triangle-wave of temperature. If the feedback loop is temperature->GHG->temperature, then there is no asymmetry. 4) What is wrong with the alternative explanation the the causal feedback mechanism is deglaciation leads to sea-level rises, leads to better heat transfer from Pacific to Atlantic, leads to more deglaciation, with CO2 simply responding to average sea-level temperature? 5) Could you please expand on your "Sahara desert in Stockholm in 1200" comment. There is some objective evidence disproving that CO2 responds to temperature? I posted something similar yesterday, but it has not appeared, so I am reposting. I must say i have enjoyed reading your old posts. |