Aether Displacement Rebuttal
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From: mpc755 on 13 Dec 2009 23:14 On Dec 13, 8:48 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 13, 7:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > I have been explaining how the interference pattern disappears. > > > Asking 'which way' is the same thing as physically detecting the > > particle. In the boat in a double slit experiment, in order to detect > > the boat, buoys are placed at the exits to the slits. The boats bow > > wave is its displacement wave in the water. The bow wave enters and > > exits both slits. The buoys destroy the coherence of the bow waves as > > they exit the slits (decoherence). The bow waves are turned into chop. > > Since the coherence of the bow waves have been destroyed and turned > > into chop, they do not create interference and do not alter the > > direction the boat travels. > > > This is what is occurring to the displacement wave the C-60 molecule > > creates in the substance of space. Detecting the C-60 molecule > > destroys the coherence (decoherence) of the displacement wave (it is > > turned into 'chop') and the direction the C-60 molecules travels is > > not altered. > > You need to study the experiment again. They can detect "which way" > without altering the particle. It depends upon what is meant by 'altering' the particle. The act of detection is causing the displacement wave to be turned into chop. They are mistaking turning the displacement wave into chop as 'collapsing the wave function associated with the particle'. What they are mistaking for 'collapsing the wave function' is really the destruction of the coherence (decoherence) of the physical waves in the aether. The displacement waves in the substance of space are turned into chop and this allows the C-60 molecule to continue on in its path. If 'which way' is not detected, then the displacement waves exit the slits, create interference, and alter the direction the C-60 molecule travels as it exits a slit. If you place buoys at the exits to the slits and turn the boat's bow wave into chop, the boat will continue on and be detected where you would expect it to if there were only a single slit the boat and its bow wave had traveled through. This could be considered as not altering the boat because turning the bow wave into chop allows the boat to continue along the path it was traveling. If you do not detect 'which way' (do not place buoys at the exits to the slits) then the bow wave exits both slits and creates interference and it is this interference which alters the direction the boat travels.
From: Huang on 13 Dec 2009 23:23 On Dec 13, 10:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 13, 8:48 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 13, 7:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > I have been explaining how the interference pattern disappears. > > > > Asking 'which way' is the same thing as physically detecting the > > > particle. In the boat in a double slit experiment, in order to detect > > > the boat, buoys are placed at the exits to the slits. The boats bow > > > wave is its displacement wave in the water. The bow wave enters and > > > exits both slits. The buoys destroy the coherence of the bow waves as > > > they exit the slits (decoherence). The bow waves are turned into chop.. > > > Since the coherence of the bow waves have been destroyed and turned > > > into chop, they do not create interference and do not alter the > > > direction the boat travels. > > > > This is what is occurring to the displacement wave the C-60 molecule > > > creates in the substance of space. Detecting the C-60 molecule > > > destroys the coherence (decoherence) of the displacement wave (it is > > > turned into 'chop') and the direction the C-60 molecules travels is > > > not altered. > > > You need to study the experiment again. They can detect "which way" > > without altering the particle. > > It depends upon what is meant by 'altering' the particle. The act of > detection is causing the displacement wave to be turned into chop. > They are mistaking turning the displacement wave into chop as > 'collapsing the wave function associated with the particle'. What they > are mistaking for 'collapsing the wave function' is really the > destruction of the coherence (decoherence) of the physical waves in > the aether. The displacement waves in the substance of space are > turned into chop and this allows the C-60 molecule to continue on in > its path. If 'which way' is not detected, then the displacement waves > exit the slits, create interference, and alter the direction the C-60 > molecule travels as it exits a slit. If you place buoys at the exits > to the slits and turn the boat's bow wave into chop, the boat will > continue on and be detected where you would expect it to if there were > only a single slit the boat and its bow wave had traveled through. > This could be considered as not altering the boat because turning the > bow wave into chop allows the boat to continue along the path it was > traveling. If you do not detect 'which way' (do not place buoys at the > exits to the slits) then the bow wave exits both slits and creates > interference and it is this interference which alters the direction > the boat travels.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Does that really answer the original question ? How does detecting "which way" cause the wave behaviour to simply go away ???
From: mpc755 on 13 Dec 2009 23:34 On Dec 13, 11:23 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 13, 10:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:48 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 13, 7:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > > I have been explaining how the interference pattern disappears. > > > > > Asking 'which way' is the same thing as physically detecting the > > > > particle. In the boat in a double slit experiment, in order to detect > > > > the boat, buoys are placed at the exits to the slits. The boats bow > > > > wave is its displacement wave in the water. The bow wave enters and > > > > exits both slits. The buoys destroy the coherence of the bow waves as > > > > they exit the slits (decoherence). The bow waves are turned into chop. > > > > Since the coherence of the bow waves have been destroyed and turned > > > > into chop, they do not create interference and do not alter the > > > > direction the boat travels. > > > > > This is what is occurring to the displacement wave the C-60 molecule > > > > creates in the substance of space. Detecting the C-60 molecule > > > > destroys the coherence (decoherence) of the displacement wave (it is > > > > turned into 'chop') and the direction the C-60 molecules travels is > > > > not altered. > > > > You need to study the experiment again. They can detect "which way" > > > without altering the particle. > > > It depends upon what is meant by 'altering' the particle. The act of > > detection is causing the displacement wave to be turned into chop. > > They are mistaking turning the displacement wave into chop as > > 'collapsing the wave function associated with the particle'. What they > > are mistaking for 'collapsing the wave function' is really the > > destruction of the coherence (decoherence) of the physical waves in > > the aether. The displacement waves in the substance of space are > > turned into chop and this allows the C-60 molecule to continue on in > > its path. If 'which way' is not detected, then the displacement waves > > exit the slits, create interference, and alter the direction the C-60 > > molecule travels as it exits a slit. If you place buoys at the exits > > to the slits and turn the boat's bow wave into chop, the boat will > > continue on and be detected where you would expect it to if there were > > only a single slit the boat and its bow wave had traveled through. > > This could be considered as not altering the boat because turning the > > bow wave into chop allows the boat to continue along the path it was > > traveling. If you do not detect 'which way' (do not place buoys at the > > exits to the slits) then the bow wave exits both slits and creates > > interference and it is this interference which alters the direction > > the boat travels.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Does that really answer the original question ? > > How does detecting "which way" cause the wave behaviour to simply go > away ??? Because the wave is turned into chop. There is no cohesion to the waves at this point. Detecting the wave destroys it. A boat is traveling along and it is a large boat moving very fast through the water, so it has a large bow wave. You are 50 feet away from the boat in open water in a rubber tube being pulled by a boat. You feel the effects of the bow wave as the other boat passes by. The direction you are traveling behind your boat is altered by the bow wave of the other boat. Now, place a pier between you and the boat. The pier consists of many pillars. When the bow wave interacts with the piers it is turned into chop. The bow wave as a self-contained single entity has been destroyed by being turned into chop (decoherence). You are on the other side of the pier being pulled by a boat in a rubber tube. The direction you are traveling is not going to be altered, or the alteration will be very minor, by the chop which is all that remains from the bow wave after being 'detected' by the pier.
From: mpc755 on 13 Dec 2009 23:51 On Dec 13, 11:23 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 13, 10:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:48 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 13, 7:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > > I have been explaining how the interference pattern disappears. > > > > > Asking 'which way' is the same thing as physically detecting the > > > > particle. In the boat in a double slit experiment, in order to detect > > > > the boat, buoys are placed at the exits to the slits. The boats bow > > > > wave is its displacement wave in the water. The bow wave enters and > > > > exits both slits. The buoys destroy the coherence of the bow waves as > > > > they exit the slits (decoherence). The bow waves are turned into chop. > > > > Since the coherence of the bow waves have been destroyed and turned > > > > into chop, they do not create interference and do not alter the > > > > direction the boat travels. > > > > > This is what is occurring to the displacement wave the C-60 molecule > > > > creates in the substance of space. Detecting the C-60 molecule > > > > destroys the coherence (decoherence) of the displacement wave (it is > > > > turned into 'chop') and the direction the C-60 molecules travels is > > > > not altered. > > > > You need to study the experiment again. They can detect "which way" > > > without altering the particle. > > > It depends upon what is meant by 'altering' the particle. The act of > > detection is causing the displacement wave to be turned into chop. > > They are mistaking turning the displacement wave into chop as > > 'collapsing the wave function associated with the particle'. What they > > are mistaking for 'collapsing the wave function' is really the > > destruction of the coherence (decoherence) of the physical waves in > > the aether. The displacement waves in the substance of space are > > turned into chop and this allows the C-60 molecule to continue on in > > its path. If 'which way' is not detected, then the displacement waves > > exit the slits, create interference, and alter the direction the C-60 > > molecule travels as it exits a slit. If you place buoys at the exits > > to the slits and turn the boat's bow wave into chop, the boat will > > continue on and be detected where you would expect it to if there were > > only a single slit the boat and its bow wave had traveled through. > > This could be considered as not altering the boat because turning the > > bow wave into chop allows the boat to continue along the path it was > > traveling. If you do not detect 'which way' (do not place buoys at the > > exits to the slits) then the bow wave exits both slits and creates > > interference and it is this interference which alters the direction > > the boat travels.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Does that really answer the original question ? > > How does detecting "which way" cause the wave behaviour to simply go > away ??? The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of space directly in front of the path it is traveling. The particle cannot be detected without detecting the displacement wave. Detecting 'which way' means detecting the particle. Detecting the particle means detecting the displacement wave. Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. Detecting 'which way' destroys the displacement wave.
From: Autymn D. C. on 14 Dec 2009 08:18
On Dec 13, 5:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > The answer to this problem is that space is neither continuous nor > discrete, but indeterminately either one or the other. It is > indeterminate whether it is continuous or discrete. It's codependent, covariant. > How can that be ? Consider 2 lengths A and B. A is existent, B is > nonexistent. > Let A be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > Let B be nnnnnnnnnn > > If you compose them into a single length, there is no way to know > where the nnnnnnnnnn is located. It's position is indeterminate. You It is position is indeterminate? But length is in time, not room. > can rearrange things so that the composition of A and B is either > continuous or discrete, and because nnnnnnnnnn is nonexistent the > distinction between continuity and discreteness becomes trivial. Both are neither continvose. By existent and nonexistent, you mean real and virtval. [snip blather] -Aut |