Aether Displacement Rebuttal
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From: glird on 18 Dec 2009 11:27 On Dec 17, 1:35 pm, mpc755 wrote: > On Dec 16, 11:46 am, glird wrote: > >> 1. Without using the word "density", how do you define the quantity of aether >> per unit volume? No answer. >> 2. How do you measure a quantity of aether? >A=Mc^2. How do you know the value of M in order to be able to use that equation to measure a quantity of aether? >> 3. How do you measure a quantity of matter? > The quantity of matter is determined by the amount of displaced aether. I know > this is not what you are looking for but the amount of aether matter displaces is > mass. Ok, let mass be the amount of uncompressed aether that matter displaces. HOW do you measure a quantity of MATTER? glird
From: mpc755 on 18 Dec 2009 11:36 On Dec 18, 11:27 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Dec 17, 1:35 pm, mpc755 wrote: > > > On Dec 16, 11:46 am, glird wrote: > > >> 1. Without using the word "density", how do you define the quantity of aether > >> per unit volume? > > No answer. > How do you define the quantity of aether per unit volume? > >> 2. How do you measure a quantity of aether? > >A=Mc^2. > > How do you know the value of M in order to be able to use that > equation to measure a quantity of aether? > A=Mc^2 where A is aether and M is matter (or mass). It is somewhat of a chicken and egg situation. When matter expands into aether it increases in volume. When aether is compressed into matter it contains less volume. The mass of the matter is the amount of aether it displaces. The mass of matter is the amount of pressure the displaced aether is able to exert on the matter. How do you measure the quantity of aether? > >> 3. How do you measure a quantity of matter? > > The quantity of matter is determined by the amount of displaced aether. I know > > this is not what you are looking for but the amount of aether matter displaces is > > mass. > > Ok, let mass be the amount of uncompressed aether that matter > displaces. > HOW do you measure a quantity of MATTER? > > glird
From: mpc755 on 18 Dec 2009 11:51 On Dec 18, 11:36 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 18, 11:27 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > On Dec 17, 1:35 pm, mpc755 wrote: > > > > On Dec 16, 11:46 am, glird wrote: > > > >> 1. Without using the word "density", how do you define the quantity of aether > > >> per unit volume? > > > No answer. > > How do you define the quantity of aether per unit volume? > > > >> 2. How do you measure a quantity of aether? > > >A=Mc^2. > > > How do you know the value of M in order to be able to use that > > equation to measure a quantity of aether? > > A=Mc^2 where A is aether and M is matter (or mass). It is somewhat of > a chicken and egg situation. When matter expands into aether it > increases in volume. When aether is compressed into matter it contains > less volume. The mass of the matter is the amount of aether it > displaces. The mass of matter is the amount of pressure the displaced > aether is able to exert on the matter. > The mass of matter is the change in the amount of pressure the displaced aether is able to exert on the matter with respect to the aether's previous state of displacement prior to the matter displacing the aether. Aether is displaced based on mass. Mass is the change in the state of displacement of the aether. > How do you measure the quantity of aether? > > > >> 3. How do you measure a quantity of matter? > > > The quantity of matter is determined by the amount of displaced aether. I know > > > this is not what you are looking for but the amount of aether matter displaces is > > > mass. > > > Ok, let mass be the amount of uncompressed aether that matter > > displaces. > > HOW do you measure a quantity of MATTER? > > > glird > >
From: Huang on 19 Dec 2009 10:46 On Dec 18, 10:51 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 18, 11:36 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 11:27 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 17, 1:35 pm, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > On Dec 16, 11:46 am, glird wrote: > > > > >> 1. Without using the word "density", how do you define the quantity of aether > > > >> per unit volume? > > > > No answer. > > > How do you define the quantity of aether per unit volume? > > > > >> 2. How do you measure a quantity of aether? > > > >A=Mc^2. > > > > How do you know the value of M in order to be able to use that > > > equation to measure a quantity of aether? > > > A=Mc^2 where A is aether and M is matter (or mass). It is somewhat of > > a chicken and egg situation. When matter expands into aether it > > increases in volume. When aether is compressed into matter it contains > > less volume. The mass of the matter is the amount of aether it > > displaces. The mass of matter is the amount of pressure the displaced > > aether is able to exert on the matter. > > The mass of matter is the change in the amount of pressure the > displaced aether is able to exert on the matter with respect to the > aether's previous state of displacement prior to the matter displacing > the aether. > > Aether is displaced based on mass. Mass is the change in the state of > displacement of the aether. > > > > > How do you measure the quantity of aether? > > > > >> 3. How do you measure a quantity of matter? > > > > The quantity of matter is determined by the amount of displaced aether. I know > > > > this is not what you are looking for but the amount of aether matter displaces is > > > > mass. > > > > Ok, let mass be the amount of uncompressed aether that matter > > > displaces. > > > HOW do you measure a quantity of MATTER? > > > > glird- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Lets see some calculations. You can say whatever you want, you can build endless philosophical contraptions, all of them are meaningless without QUANTIFICATION. And the best way to quantify things is with mathematical models. There may be tools other than mathematics which can accomplish this as well - in my opinion - but for sure .... a model or theory which is unable to quantify things is meaningless to science. No better than religious views, pop culture, or anything else. If you cannot quantify things it will not fly.
From: Paul Stowe on 19 Dec 2009 12:18
On Dec 19, 7:46 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 18, 10:51 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 11:36 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 18, 11:27 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 17, 1:35 pm, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 16, 11:46 am, glird wrote: > > > > > >> 1. Without using the word "density", how do you define the quantity of aether > > > > >> per unit volume? > > > > > No answer. > > > > How do you define the quantity of aether per unit volume? > > > > > >> 2. How do you measure a quantity of aether? > > > > >A=Mc^2. > > > > > How do you know the value of M in order to be able to use that > > > > equation to measure a quantity of aether? > > > > A=Mc^2 where A is aether and M is matter (or mass). It is somewhat of > > > a chicken and egg situation. When matter expands into aether it > > > increases in volume. When aether is compressed into matter it contains > > > less volume. The mass of the matter is the amount of aether it > > > displaces. The mass of matter is the amount of pressure the displaced > > > aether is able to exert on the matter. > > > The mass of matter is the change in the amount of pressure the > > displaced aether is able to exert on the matter with respect to the > > aether's previous state of displacement prior to the matter displacing > > the aether. > > > Aether is displaced based on mass. Mass is the change in the state of > > displacement of the aether. > > > > How do you measure the quantity of aether? > > > > > >> 3. How do you measure a quantity of matter? > > > > > The quantity of matter is determined by the amount of displaced aether. I know > > > > > this is not what you are looking for but the amount of aether matter displaces is > > > > > mass. > > > > > Ok, let mass be the amount of uncompressed aether that matter > > > > displaces. > > > > HOW do you measure a quantity of MATTER? > > > > > glird- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Lets see some calculations. You can say whatever you want, you can > build endless philosophical contraptions, all of them are meaningless > without QUANTIFICATION. And the best way to quantify things is with > mathematical models. There may be tools other than mathematics which > can accomplish this as well - in my opinion - but for sure .... a > model or theory which is unable to quantify things is meaningless to > science. No better than religious views, pop culture, or anything > else. If you cannot quantify things it will not fly. Actually Maxwell did quantify aether displacement which he called the 'electrotonic state'. This can be found in his work "On Physical Lines of Force". It is interesting how many numerical coincidences fall out of the use of that physical model. And, if you read that work you will see that it is fully quantified and described. |