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From: mpc755 on 15 Dec 2009 23:07 On Dec 15, 10:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 15, 10:29 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 15, 9:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wave-Particle Duality is explained. The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of space. > > > > > > >< So - why do interference patterns disappear after you ask "which way"?? > > > > > > What happened to the displacement wave ? Where did it go? > > > > > Asking "which way" seems to destroy the interference pattern, and > > > > > therefore the waves. Why would that happen? > > > > > I have an explanation, but I don't think that you read it. > > > > > > > Please post it; and do so under a new posting. (This one is getting > > > > > so long that it's a nuisance to wait for the "newer" bunches of 25 > > > > > each to get to the one(s) worth reading.) > > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > > The answer to this problem is that space is neither continuous nor > > > > discrete, but indeterminately either one or the other. It is > > > > indeterminate whether it is continuous or discrete. > > > > > How can that be ? Consider 2 lengths A and B. A is existent, B is > > > > nonexistent. > > > > Let A be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > Let B be nnnnnnnnnn > > > > > If you compose them into a single length, there is no way to know > > > > where the nnnnnnnnnn is located. It's position is indeterminate. You > > > > can rearrange things so that the composition of A and B is either > > > > continuous or discrete, and because nnnnnnnnnn is nonexistent the > > > > distinction between continuity and discreteness becomes trivial. > > > > > We must assume that particles are composed of bent space - just like > > > > gravity in GR. Then, it becomes very obvious why the WP Duality is > > > > perfectly sensible. > > > > > If one asks "which way" in a given context, then nature returns an > > > > answer in the format that you had requested - it is discretized. If > > > > you dont ask which way, then space will be forced to behave as if > > > > continuous and you will observe interference patterns. > > > > > But the only way to make LENGTH behave that way is by composing the > > > > existent with the nonexistent. Length cannot be made to behave that > > > > way by any other means (that I am aware of). > > > > Someone might want to discuss AD on this thread, might as well be me. > > > > Aether is an elastic medium and does not rest when displaced. It > > > pushes back. When matter displaces the aether, the pressure the aether > > > exerts back towards the matter is gravity. > > > > When a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit experiment, the > > > displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in the aether enters and > > > exits multiple slits while the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > slit. > > > > The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of > > > space directly in front of the path it is traveling. The particle > > > cannot be detected without detecting the displacement wave. Detecting > > > 'which way' means detecting the particle. Detecting the particle means > > > detecting the displacement wave. > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > Detecting 'which way' destroys the displacement wave. > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands. The effect > > > this expansion has on the surrounding aether > > > and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > OK - I will play. Please explain what this means: > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > What is a chop ? > > http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gVcSko056rYJ:www.lanelinestoshore.... > > "To facilitate our discussion, let's differentiate between two common > types of rough water: Waves and chop. > Waves travel in one direction - head-on, from your back, or from one- > side. You either swim up and over them or > you swim through them. Chop is many small waves coming from no > discernible direction. (Look in your washing machine the next time > it's on wash cycle)" Chop will knock a boat around, but since chop waves are random, won't knock it off course like a wave can. With chop, the boat is as likely to get knocked to the right as it does to the left. If you place detectors at the exits to the slits in a double slit experiment performed with a C-60 molecule, when the displacement wave exits both slits it is turned into chop. When the C-60 molecule exits a slit, it will get knocked around by the chop, but it will not be thrown off course as if there were no detectors at the exits to the slits. If there are no detectors at the exits to the slits the displacement wave exits the slits and creates interference. The waves associated with the interference are able to alter the direction the boat is traveling. Since the waves will cancel each other out depending upon how they interact (the peak of one wave and the trough of another), there will be places where the boat will not be 'pushed' ashore. Same thing for a C-60 molecule. There will be places on the screen where the C-60 molecule will not be detected because the interference created by the displacement waves is unable to move the C-60 molecule to these locations. That is why executing a particle is able to create an interference pattern in a double slit experiment when particle after particle is allowed to interact with its displacement wave. And that is why detecting 'which way' allows the particle to continue on in its path.
From: Inertial on 15 Dec 2009 23:59 "Huang" <huangxienchen(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:475a76bf-9f07-41c2-9600-76836b6b5c0b(a)1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 15, 8:40 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> "Huang" <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> news:7efef092-922d-4e10-8cc0-18160fac30ce(a)k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 15, 8:49 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> >> On Dec 15, 7:49 am, Huang wrote:><<< There is (by definition) no such >> >> thing as a nonexistent length. So you're just talking nonsense. >>> >> >> >> >< What Inertial is saying here is very good. He makes a good point. >> >> >To >> >> >advance his argument a little further....one could argue many ways. >> >> >> [1] All nonexistent things are congruent or indistinguishable because >> >> nonexistence is a singularity {is a point, which has 0 volume thus is >> >> purely imaginary}. So, to speak of nonexistent length is no different >> >> than speaking of nonexistent apples, oranges, or bananas. >> >> This would obviously be a problem if we were working with segments of >> >> length which were %100 nonexistent. For example, let A exist and let B >> >> be nonexistent {= 0}, and compose A and B into a single length >> >> segment. If A = 0, then we are performing nonsense for all B. But also >> >> note that if B = 0 then we are performing orthodox mathematics for all >> >> A. > >> >> >> If B doesn't exist, then why is >> >> A + B = 0 + 0 = 0 "nonsense" while >> >> A + B = 4 + 0 = 4 is ok? >> >> > Really an excellent question and Im quite surprised that someone would >> > even ask. >> >> Perhaps you shoud have asked yourself > > > That's what you are for. > > >> > Clearly the case where A=0 and B is nonzero is nonsense for all B. >> >> Nope > Uhhhh...counterexample please ??? A=0, B=1, A+B=1 >> > The case where B=0 is just standard mathematics for all A. >> >> Nope > > > Huh ? Getting stoned much these days ? Is that how you come up with your nonsense about lengths that don't exist? >> > The case where A and B are both zero is a special case. >> >> Nope >> >> Its all just math > > > Bahhh - mathematics ? Guess you haven't heard of that > Please do not drink until after 9:30 pm - this > is much too early for that. Mathematics is based on things which are - > proveable- . Nope > Conjectural models are inherently indeterminate to the > very foundational considerations of existence of the most fundamental > things - nothing is proveable in conjecture. Conjecture is different > from what is known. Conjecture is permanently and irrevocably distinct > from the known truths of the logical contraption known as mathematics. Its just probabilities And there is no conjecture in what you describe.. You are talking about something the does not exist. >> >> >< The composition of A and B yields a different kind of of magnitude. >> >> >It >> >> >is not mathematics, and it is not [{ ? }] nonsense either. It is a >> >> >hybrid. And the very interesting thing is that this composition A and >> >> >B >> >> >can be explained or modelled using probability theory. > >> >> >> There is a HUGE difference between the "probability" that B has a >> >> value of zero and the fact that "B doesn't exist". Indeed, if B >> >> doesn't exist then the probability that the value of B is zero is >> >> 100%. >> >> The probability of B having any value is 0% is B does not exist > > ??? The probability of B having any value is 0% as B does not exist Is that too hard for you to understand? >> > Here's the deal. Let A = 75 and let B = 25. Compose A and B into a >> > single magnitude (or length). The "conjectured" length is 100. The >> > "expected" length is 75. >> >> Nonsense. If A is 75 and B is 25, the length is 100 (conjectured or >> otherwise) > > > Nope - 75 exists, 25 does not exist, Of course 25 exists .. its 25 > and we combine them to get 100 > which exists with probability 3/4, expected length is 75. No .. 75 + 25 is 100. Simple You cannot add something that does not exist to A BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST >> > And this new conjectured length has the same >> > properties as an existent segment C of length 100 which has a >> > "probability of existing = 3/4". >> >> Nonsense > > > Hah. See my cointoss example. It all makes perfect sense. What cointoss example .. and if its liek the rest of your nonsense .. it won't >> > So maybe you can explain why the numbers work so nicely. >> >> They don't . they are nonsense > > > lol - denial is always the best. Deny what ? .. your argument is non-existent >> >> ><If the ratio of A to B is conserved, then calculations become >> >> >sensible >> >> >and the results you will obtain are identical to performing standard >> >> >probability theory.> >> >> >> If B doesn't exist, then B = 0. >> >> No .. if B doesn't exist it has no value BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST > > > We can go round and round in circles. It is better to approach the > paradox with the understanding that it is irresolveable. There is no paradox > On my desk there are no apples. The apples do not exist. Yeup. Nor do the pink faires > Does the fact > that they do not exist prevent them from being apples ? Yes .. they are not anything BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST. Combining non-existent apples with your desk results in just your desk. Adding non-existent apples does not change it BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST > This is not a > sticking point - it is triviality in action. It is indeed trivial >> >> What is the "ratio of A to B" if A = >> >> 1 or 2 or infinity or zero? >> >> > There are many B which dont exist and they are all congruent because >> > nonexistence is singular. When you MIX the existent with the >> > nonexistent then the resulting magnitude is not purely noexistent, >> >> You can't do anything with the non-existent BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. > > > Im not doing anything with B by itself. You can't do anything with the non-existent, whether by itself or not, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. > B only makes sense because you > have A. No .. B is is nonexistent. > Without A then B becomes nosensical. No .. just nonexistent > But if you MIX A with B, You can't because B DOES NOT EXIST > the composition is NOT purely nonsensical - Its just A > it is partly sensible. Which is far more than I can say for you > It forms the basis of conjecture which is > neither math nor nonsense. No .. its nonsense >> > and >> > it does not behave the same way as a purely noexistent thing. >> >> A non-existent things has no behavior BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. > > > A composed with B is partly existent. No .. if A exist .. it exists. You cannot compose it with something that does not exist BECAUSE THAT SOMETHING DOES NOT EXIST > Are you arguing that the > composition is completely nonexistent simply because B is > nonexistent ? No .. read what I write >> > It >> > behaves differently. It is not neccesarily singular. Part of it >> > exists. >> >> Nonsense > > lol I'm glad you appreciate how stupid you sound >> > It is wrong to say that " If B doesn't exist, then B = 0." . This is >> > not correct. B can be 1,2,3, 10, 1x10^6, >> >> No .. it can't . it cannot have nay value BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. >> >> > and it is only nonexistent if >> > you declare it to be so. B nonexistent does not imply that B=0. >> >> It implies B <> 0 ... indeed it implies B <> x for all x >> >> > The ratio of A to B is the existential potential, which is conserved. >> >> Nonsense word soup > > > Get a big bowl. Would you like some bread with your broth ? I'm sure you can serve up lots of nonsensical word soup >> > Conservation forces this thing to work properly, and it does. >> >> Its just all nonsense .. and you know it- Hide quoted text - > > > Quite not the case. Ok .. so its all nonsense .. and you do NOT know it. That's even worse.
From: Huang on 16 Dec 2009 00:03 On Dec 15, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 15, 10:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:29 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 15, 9:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Wave-Particle Duality is explained. The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of space. > > > > > > > >< So - why do interference patterns disappear after you ask "which way"?? > > > > > > > What happened to the displacement wave ? Where did it go? > > > > > > Asking "which way" seems to destroy the interference pattern, and > > > > > > therefore the waves. Why would that happen? > > > > > > I have an explanation, but I don't think that you read it. > > > > > > > > Please post it; and do so under a new posting. (This one is getting > > > > > > so long that it's a nuisance to wait for the "newer" bunches of 25 > > > > > > each to get to the one(s) worth reading.) > > > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > > > The answer to this problem is that space is neither continuous nor > > > > > discrete, but indeterminately either one or the other. It is > > > > > indeterminate whether it is continuous or discrete. > > > > > > How can that be ? Consider 2 lengths A and B. A is existent, B is > > > > > nonexistent. > > > > > Let A be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > > Let B be nnnnnnnnnn > > > > > > If you compose them into a single length, there is no way to know > > > > > where the nnnnnnnnnn is located. It's position is indeterminate. You > > > > > can rearrange things so that the composition of A and B is either > > > > > continuous or discrete, and because nnnnnnnnnn is nonexistent the > > > > > distinction between continuity and discreteness becomes trivial. > > > > > > We must assume that particles are composed of bent space - just like > > > > > gravity in GR. Then, it becomes very obvious why the WP Duality is > > > > > perfectly sensible. > > > > > > If one asks "which way" in a given context, then nature returns an > > > > > answer in the format that you had requested - it is discretized. If > > > > > you dont ask which way, then space will be forced to behave as if > > > > > continuous and you will observe interference patterns. > > > > > > But the only way to make LENGTH behave that way is by composing the > > > > > existent with the nonexistent. Length cannot be made to behave that > > > > > way by any other means (that I am aware of). > > > > > Someone might want to discuss AD on this thread, might as well be me. > > > > > Aether is an elastic medium and does not rest when displaced. It > > > > pushes back. When matter displaces the aether, the pressure the aether > > > > exerts back towards the matter is gravity. > > > > > When a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit experiment, the > > > > displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in the aether enters and > > > > exits multiple slits while the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > slit. > > > > > The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of > > > > space directly in front of the path it is traveling. The particle > > > > cannot be detected without detecting the displacement wave. Detecting > > > > 'which way' means detecting the particle. Detecting the particle means > > > > detecting the displacement wave. > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > Detecting 'which way' destroys the displacement wave. > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands. The effect > > > > this expansion has on the surrounding aether > > > > and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > OK - I will play. Please explain what this means: > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > What is a chop ? > > >http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gVcSko056rYJ:www.lanelinestoshore.... > > > "To facilitate our discussion, let's differentiate between two common > > types of rough water: Waves and chop. > > Waves travel in one direction - head-on, from your back, or from one- > > side. You either swim up and over them or > > you swim through them. Chop is many small waves coming from no > > discernible direction. (Look in your washing machine the next time > > it's on wash cycle)" > > Chop will knock a boat around, but since chop waves are random, won't > knock it off course like a wave can. With chop, the boat is as likely > to get knocked to the right as it does to the left. > > If you place detectors at the exits to the slits in a double slit > experiment performed with a C-60 molecule, when the displacement wave > exits both slits it is turned into chop. When the C-60 molecule exits > a slit, it will get knocked around by the chop, but it will not be > thrown off course as if there were no detectors at the exits to the > slits. If there are no detectors at the exits to the slits the > displacement wave exits the slits and creates interference. The waves > associated with the interference are able to alter the direction the > boat is traveling. Since the waves will cancel each other out > depending upon how they interact (the peak of one wave and the trough > of another), there will be places where the boat will not be 'pushed' > ashore. Same thing for a C-60 molecule. There will be places on the > screen where the C-60 molecule will not be detected because the > interference created by the displacement waves is unable to move the > C-60 molecule to these locations. That is why executing a particle is > able to create an interference pattern in a double slit experiment > when particle after particle is allowed to interact with its > displacement wave. And that is why detecting 'which way' allows the > particle to continue on in its path.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - A chop ? You're serious ?
From: mpc755 on 16 Dec 2009 00:22 On Dec 16, 12:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 15, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 15, 10:29 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 15, 9:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wave-Particle Duality is explained. The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of space. > > > > > > > > >< So - why do interference patterns disappear after you ask "which way"?? > > > > > > > > What happened to the displacement wave ? Where did it go? > > > > > > > Asking "which way" seems to destroy the interference pattern, and > > > > > > > therefore the waves. Why would that happen? > > > > > > > I have an explanation, but I don't think that you read it. > > > > > > > > > Please post it; and do so under a new posting. (This one is getting > > > > > > > so long that it's a nuisance to wait for the "newer" bunches of 25 > > > > > > > each to get to the one(s) worth reading.) > > > > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > > > > The answer to this problem is that space is neither continuous nor > > > > > > discrete, but indeterminately either one or the other. It is > > > > > > indeterminate whether it is continuous or discrete. > > > > > > > How can that be ? Consider 2 lengths A and B. A is existent, B is > > > > > > nonexistent. > > > > > > Let A be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > > > Let B be nnnnnnnnnn > > > > > > > If you compose them into a single length, there is no way to know > > > > > > where the nnnnnnnnnn is located. It's position is indeterminate.. You > > > > > > can rearrange things so that the composition of A and B is either > > > > > > continuous or discrete, and because nnnnnnnnnn is nonexistent the > > > > > > distinction between continuity and discreteness becomes trivial.. > > > > > > > We must assume that particles are composed of bent space - just like > > > > > > gravity in GR. Then, it becomes very obvious why the WP Duality is > > > > > > perfectly sensible. > > > > > > > If one asks "which way" in a given context, then nature returns an > > > > > > answer in the format that you had requested - it is discretized.. If > > > > > > you dont ask which way, then space will be forced to behave as if > > > > > > continuous and you will observe interference patterns. > > > > > > > But the only way to make LENGTH behave that way is by composing the > > > > > > existent with the nonexistent. Length cannot be made to behave that > > > > > > way by any other means (that I am aware of). > > > > > > Someone might want to discuss AD on this thread, might as well be me. > > > > > > Aether is an elastic medium and does not rest when displaced. It > > > > > pushes back. When matter displaces the aether, the pressure the aether > > > > > exerts back towards the matter is gravity. > > > > > > When a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit experiment, the > > > > > displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in the aether enters and > > > > > exits multiple slits while the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > > slit. > > > > > > The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of > > > > > space directly in front of the path it is traveling. The particle > > > > > cannot be detected without detecting the displacement wave. Detecting > > > > > 'which way' means detecting the particle. Detecting the particle means > > > > > detecting the displacement wave. > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' destroys the displacement wave. > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands. The effect > > > > > this expansion has on the surrounding aether > > > > > and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > OK - I will play. Please explain what this means: > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > What is a chop ? > > > >http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gVcSko056rYJ:www.lanelinestoshore... > > > > "To facilitate our discussion, let's differentiate between two common > > > types of rough water: Waves and chop. > > > Waves travel in one direction - head-on, from your back, or from one- > > > side. You either swim up and over them or > > > you swim through them. Chop is many small waves coming from no > > > discernible direction. (Look in your washing machine the next time > > > it's on wash cycle)" > > > Chop will knock a boat around, but since chop waves are random, won't > > knock it off course like a wave can. With chop, the boat is as likely > > to get knocked to the right as it does to the left. > > > If you place detectors at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > experiment performed with a C-60 molecule, when the displacement wave > > exits both slits it is turned into chop. When the C-60 molecule exits > > a slit, it will get knocked around by the chop, but it will not be > > thrown off course as if there were no detectors at the exits to the > > slits. If there are no detectors at the exits to the slits the > > displacement wave exits the slits and creates interference. The waves > > associated with the interference are able to alter the direction the > > boat is traveling. Since the waves will cancel each other out > > depending upon how they interact (the peak of one wave and the trough > > of another), there will be places where the boat will not be 'pushed' > > ashore. Same thing for a C-60 molecule. There will be places on the > > screen where the C-60 molecule will not be detected because the > > interference created by the displacement waves is unable to move the > > C-60 molecule to these locations. That is why executing a particle is > > able to create an interference pattern in a double slit experiment > > when particle after particle is allowed to interact with its > > displacement wave. And that is why detecting 'which way' allows the > > particle to continue on in its path.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > A chop ? You're serious ? Yes. Did you understand what the definition of chop is? It is a bunch of small random waves. That is what happens to the displacement wave when you detect the particle. Think of a wave that is going to go under a pier. The pillars under the pier are going to destroy the wave. The pillars turn the wave into chop. That is what happens to the displacement wave the moving particle creates in the substance of space.
From: mpc755 on 16 Dec 2009 00:27
On Dec 16, 12:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 15, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 15, 10:29 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 15, 9:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wave-Particle Duality is explained. The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of space. > > > > > > > > >< So - why do interference patterns disappear after you ask "which way"?? > > > > > > > > What happened to the displacement wave ? Where did it go? > > > > > > > Asking "which way" seems to destroy the interference pattern, and > > > > > > > therefore the waves. Why would that happen? > > > > > > > I have an explanation, but I don't think that you read it. > > > > > > > > > Please post it; and do so under a new posting. (This one is getting > > > > > > > so long that it's a nuisance to wait for the "newer" bunches of 25 > > > > > > > each to get to the one(s) worth reading.) > > > > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > > > > The answer to this problem is that space is neither continuous nor > > > > > > discrete, but indeterminately either one or the other. It is > > > > > > indeterminate whether it is continuous or discrete. > > > > > > > How can that be ? Consider 2 lengths A and B. A is existent, B is > > > > > > nonexistent. > > > > > > Let A be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > > > Let B be nnnnnnnnnn > > > > > > > If you compose them into a single length, there is no way to know > > > > > > where the nnnnnnnnnn is located. It's position is indeterminate.. You > > > > > > can rearrange things so that the composition of A and B is either > > > > > > continuous or discrete, and because nnnnnnnnnn is nonexistent the > > > > > > distinction between continuity and discreteness becomes trivial.. > > > > > > > We must assume that particles are composed of bent space - just like > > > > > > gravity in GR. Then, it becomes very obvious why the WP Duality is > > > > > > perfectly sensible. > > > > > > > If one asks "which way" in a given context, then nature returns an > > > > > > answer in the format that you had requested - it is discretized.. If > > > > > > you dont ask which way, then space will be forced to behave as if > > > > > > continuous and you will observe interference patterns. > > > > > > > But the only way to make LENGTH behave that way is by composing the > > > > > > existent with the nonexistent. Length cannot be made to behave that > > > > > > way by any other means (that I am aware of). > > > > > > Someone might want to discuss AD on this thread, might as well be me. > > > > > > Aether is an elastic medium and does not rest when displaced. It > > > > > pushes back. When matter displaces the aether, the pressure the aether > > > > > exerts back towards the matter is gravity. > > > > > > When a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit experiment, the > > > > > displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in the aether enters and > > > > > exits multiple slits while the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > > slit. > > > > > > The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of > > > > > space directly in front of the path it is traveling. The particle > > > > > cannot be detected without detecting the displacement wave. Detecting > > > > > 'which way' means detecting the particle. Detecting the particle means > > > > > detecting the displacement wave. > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' destroys the displacement wave. > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands. The effect > > > > > this expansion has on the surrounding aether > > > > > and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > OK - I will play. Please explain what this means: > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > What is a chop ? > > > >http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gVcSko056rYJ:www.lanelinestoshore... > > > > "To facilitate our discussion, let's differentiate between two common > > > types of rough water: Waves and chop. > > > Waves travel in one direction - head-on, from your back, or from one- > > > side. You either swim up and over them or > > > you swim through them. Chop is many small waves coming from no > > > discernible direction. (Look in your washing machine the next time > > > it's on wash cycle)" > > > Chop will knock a boat around, but since chop waves are random, won't > > knock it off course like a wave can. With chop, the boat is as likely > > to get knocked to the right as it does to the left. > > > If you place detectors at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > experiment performed with a C-60 molecule, when the displacement wave > > exits both slits it is turned into chop. When the C-60 molecule exits > > a slit, it will get knocked around by the chop, but it will not be > > thrown off course as if there were no detectors at the exits to the > > slits. If there are no detectors at the exits to the slits the > > displacement wave exits the slits and creates interference. The waves > > associated with the interference are able to alter the direction the > > boat is traveling. Since the waves will cancel each other out > > depending upon how they interact (the peak of one wave and the trough > > of another), there will be places where the boat will not be 'pushed' > > ashore. Same thing for a C-60 molecule. There will be places on the > > screen where the C-60 molecule will not be detected because the > > interference created by the displacement waves is unable to move the > > C-60 molecule to these locations. That is why executing a particle is > > able to create an interference pattern in a double slit experiment > > when particle after particle is allowed to interact with its > > displacement wave. And that is why detecting 'which way' allows the > > particle to continue on in its path.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > A chop ? You're serious ? Yes. Did you understand what the definition of chop is? It is a bunch of small random waves. That is what happens to the displacement wave when you detect the particle. Think of a wave that is going to go under a pier. The pillars under the pier are going to destroy the wave. The pillars turn the wave into chop. That is what happens to the displacement wave the moving particle creates in the substance of space when you detect the particle. |