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From: Huang on 16 Dec 2009 01:08 On Dec 15, 11:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 16, 12:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 15, 10:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:29 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 15, 9:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Wave-Particle Duality is explained. The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of space. > > > > > > > > > >< So - why do interference patterns disappear after you ask "which way"?? > > > > > > > > > What happened to the displacement wave ? Where did it go? > > > > > > > > Asking "which way" seems to destroy the interference pattern, and > > > > > > > > therefore the waves. Why would that happen? > > > > > > > > I have an explanation, but I don't think that you read it. > > > > > > > > > > Please post it; and do so under a new posting. (This one is getting > > > > > > > > so long that it's a nuisance to wait for the "newer" bunches of 25 > > > > > > > > each to get to the one(s) worth reading.) > > > > > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > > > > > The answer to this problem is that space is neither continuous nor > > > > > > > discrete, but indeterminately either one or the other. It is > > > > > > > indeterminate whether it is continuous or discrete. > > > > > > > > How can that be ? Consider 2 lengths A and B. A is existent, B is > > > > > > > nonexistent. > > > > > > > Let A be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > > > > Let B be nnnnnnnnnn > > > > > > > > If you compose them into a single length, there is no way to know > > > > > > > where the nnnnnnnnnn is located. It's position is indeterminate. You > > > > > > > can rearrange things so that the composition of A and B is either > > > > > > > continuous or discrete, and because nnnnnnnnnn is nonexistent the > > > > > > > distinction between continuity and discreteness becomes trivial. > > > > > > > > We must assume that particles are composed of bent space - just like > > > > > > > gravity in GR. Then, it becomes very obvious why the WP Duality is > > > > > > > perfectly sensible. > > > > > > > > If one asks "which way" in a given context, then nature returns an > > > > > > > answer in the format that you had requested - it is discretized. If > > > > > > > you dont ask which way, then space will be forced to behave as if > > > > > > > continuous and you will observe interference patterns. > > > > > > > > But the only way to make LENGTH behave that way is by composing the > > > > > > > existent with the nonexistent. Length cannot be made to behave that > > > > > > > way by any other means (that I am aware of). > > > > > > > Someone might want to discuss AD on this thread, might as well be me. > > > > > > > Aether is an elastic medium and does not rest when displaced. It > > > > > > pushes back. When matter displaces the aether, the pressure the aether > > > > > > exerts back towards the matter is gravity. > > > > > > > When a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit experiment, the > > > > > > displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in the aether enters and > > > > > > exits multiple slits while the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > > > slit. > > > > > > > The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of > > > > > > space directly in front of the path it is traveling. The particle > > > > > > cannot be detected without detecting the displacement wave. Detecting > > > > > > 'which way' means detecting the particle. Detecting the particle means > > > > > > detecting the displacement wave. > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' destroys the displacement wave. > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands. The effect > > > > > > this expansion has on the surrounding aether > > > > > > and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > OK - I will play. Please explain what this means: > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > > What is a chop ? > > > > >http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gVcSko056rYJ:www.lanelinestoshore... > > > > > "To facilitate our discussion, let's differentiate between two common > > > > types of rough water: Waves and chop. > > > > Waves travel in one direction - head-on, from your back, or from one- > > > > side. You either swim up and over them or > > > > you swim through them. Chop is many small waves coming from no > > > > discernible direction. (Look in your washing machine the next time > > > > it's on wash cycle)" > > > > Chop will knock a boat around, but since chop waves are random, won't > > > knock it off course like a wave can. With chop, the boat is as likely > > > to get knocked to the right as it does to the left. > > > > If you place detectors at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > experiment performed with a C-60 molecule, when the displacement wave > > > exits both slits it is turned into chop. When the C-60 molecule exits > > > a slit, it will get knocked around by the chop, but it will not be > > > thrown off course as if there were no detectors at the exits to the > > > slits. If there are no detectors at the exits to the slits the > > > displacement wave exits the slits and creates interference. The waves > > > associated with the interference are able to alter the direction the > > > boat is traveling. Since the waves will cancel each other out > > > depending upon how they interact (the peak of one wave and the trough > > > of another), there will be places where the boat will not be 'pushed' > > > ashore. Same thing for a C-60 molecule. There will be places on the > > > screen where the C-60 molecule will not be detected because the > > > interference created by the displacement waves is unable to move the > > > C-60 molecule to these locations. That is why executing a particle is > > > able to create an interference pattern in a double slit experiment > > > when particle after particle is allowed to interact with its > > > displacement wave. And that is why detecting 'which way' allows the > > > particle to continue on in its path.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > A chop ? You're serious ? > > Yes. Did you understand what the definition of chop is? It is a bunch > of small random waves. That is what happens to the displacement wave > when you detect the particle. Think of a wave that is going to go > under a pier. The pillars under the pier are going to destroy the > wave. The pillars turn the wave into chop. > > That is what happens to the displacement wave the moving particle > creates in the substance of space when you detect the particle.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I think you could also call that noise. But I think that the interaction between a wave and a stationary barrier is pretty well understood. Waves do not typically disintegrate into uniform noise after encountering a barrier, it would have to be a pretty specially constructed obstacle to get that effect dont ya thiink ? It's not a bad idea, I'll give you credit for that. But I just dont think that the wave mechanics would support it. Just guessing.
From: mpc755 on 16 Dec 2009 09:10 On Dec 16, 1:08 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 15, 11:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 16, 12:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 15, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:29 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 9:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wave-Particle Duality is explained. The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of space. > > > > > > > > > > >< So - why do interference patterns disappear after you ask "which way"?? > > > > > > > > > > What happened to the displacement wave ? Where did it go? > > > > > > > > > Asking "which way" seems to destroy the interference pattern, and > > > > > > > > > therefore the waves. Why would that happen? > > > > > > > > > I have an explanation, but I don't think that you read it. > > > > > > > > > > > Please post it; and do so under a new posting. (This one is getting > > > > > > > > > so long that it's a nuisance to wait for the "newer" bunches of 25 > > > > > > > > > each to get to the one(s) worth reading.) > > > > > > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > > > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > > > > > > The answer to this problem is that space is neither continuous nor > > > > > > > > discrete, but indeterminately either one or the other. It is > > > > > > > > indeterminate whether it is continuous or discrete. > > > > > > > > > How can that be ? Consider 2 lengths A and B. A is existent, B is > > > > > > > > nonexistent. > > > > > > > > Let A be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > > > > > Let B be nnnnnnnnnn > > > > > > > > > If you compose them into a single length, there is no way to know > > > > > > > > where the nnnnnnnnnn is located. It's position is indeterminate. You > > > > > > > > can rearrange things so that the composition of A and B is either > > > > > > > > continuous or discrete, and because nnnnnnnnnn is nonexistent the > > > > > > > > distinction between continuity and discreteness becomes trivial. > > > > > > > > > We must assume that particles are composed of bent space - just like > > > > > > > > gravity in GR. Then, it becomes very obvious why the WP Duality is > > > > > > > > perfectly sensible. > > > > > > > > > If one asks "which way" in a given context, then nature returns an > > > > > > > > answer in the format that you had requested - it is discretized. If > > > > > > > > you dont ask which way, then space will be forced to behave as if > > > > > > > > continuous and you will observe interference patterns. > > > > > > > > > But the only way to make LENGTH behave that way is by composing the > > > > > > > > existent with the nonexistent. Length cannot be made to behave that > > > > > > > > way by any other means (that I am aware of). > > > > > > > > Someone might want to discuss AD on this thread, might as well be me. > > > > > > > > Aether is an elastic medium and does not rest when displaced. It > > > > > > > pushes back. When matter displaces the aether, the pressure the aether > > > > > > > exerts back towards the matter is gravity. > > > > > > > > When a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit experiment, the > > > > > > > displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in the aether enters and > > > > > > > exits multiple slits while the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > > > > slit. > > > > > > > > The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of > > > > > > > space directly in front of the path it is traveling. The particle > > > > > > > cannot be detected without detecting the displacement wave. Detecting > > > > > > > 'which way' means detecting the particle. Detecting the particle means > > > > > > > detecting the displacement wave. > > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' destroys the displacement wave. > > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands. The effect > > > > > > > this expansion has on the surrounding aether > > > > > > > and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > OK - I will play. Please explain what this means: > > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > > > What is a chop ? > > > > > >http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gVcSko056rYJ:www.lanelinestoshore... > > > > > > "To facilitate our discussion, let's differentiate between two common > > > > > types of rough water: Waves and chop. > > > > > Waves travel in one direction - head-on, from your back, or from one- > > > > > side. You either swim up and over them or > > > > > you swim through them. Chop is many small waves coming from no > > > > > discernible direction. (Look in your washing machine the next time > > > > > it's on wash cycle)" > > > > > Chop will knock a boat around, but since chop waves are random, won't > > > > knock it off course like a wave can. With chop, the boat is as likely > > > > to get knocked to the right as it does to the left. > > > > > If you place detectors at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > experiment performed with a C-60 molecule, when the displacement wave > > > > exits both slits it is turned into chop. When the C-60 molecule exits > > > > a slit, it will get knocked around by the chop, but it will not be > > > > thrown off course as if there were no detectors at the exits to the > > > > slits. If there are no detectors at the exits to the slits the > > > > displacement wave exits the slits and creates interference. The waves > > > > associated with the interference are able to alter the direction the > > > > boat is traveling. Since the waves will cancel each other out > > > > depending upon how they interact (the peak of one wave and the trough > > > > of another), there will be places where the boat will not be 'pushed' > > > > ashore. Same thing for a C-60 molecule. There will be places on the > > > > screen where the C-60 molecule will not be detected because the > > > > interference created by the displacement waves is unable to move the > > > > C-60 molecule to these locations. That is why executing a particle is > > > > able to create an interference pattern in a double slit experiment > > > > when particle after particle is allowed to interact with its > > > > displacement wave. And that is why detecting 'which way' allows the > > > > particle to continue on in its path.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > A chop ? You're serious ? > > > Yes. Did you understand what the definition of chop is? It is a bunch > > of small random waves. That is what happens to the displacement wave > > when you detect the particle. Think of a wave that is going to go > > under a pier. The pillars under the pier are going to destroy the > > wave. The pillars turn the wave into chop. > > > That is what happens to the displacement wave the moving particle > > creates in the substance of space when you detect the particle.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, I think you could also call that noise. But I think that the > interaction between a wave and a stationary barrier is pretty well > understood. Waves do not typically disintegrate into uniform noise > after encountering a barrier, it would have to be a pretty specially > constructed obstacle to get that effect dont ya thiink ? > > It's not a bad idea, I'll give you credit for that. But I just dont > think that the wave mechanics would support it. Just guessing. No, it doesn't have to be special at all. All it take is for the act of detection to destroy the cohesion of a displacement wave in the substance of space. Since we are talking about the substance of space, any type of detection is going to 'throw off' the cohesion of the displacement wave and the particle and not allow the direction the particle travels to be altered by interference. Again, if you place buoys at the exits to the slits in order to detect the boat, the bow wave isn't going to be able to maintain its cohesion and create interference. Once the bow wave interact with the buoys there are now multiple waves moving in all sorts of random directions (i.e. chop).
From: mpc755 on 16 Dec 2009 09:22 On Dec 16, 9:10 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 16, 1:08 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 15, 11:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 16, 12:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:29 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 9:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wave-Particle Duality is explained. The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of space. > > > > > > > > > > > >< So - why do interference patterns disappear after you ask "which way"?? > > > > > > > > > > > What happened to the displacement wave ? Where did it go? > > > > > > > > > > Asking "which way" seems to destroy the interference pattern, and > > > > > > > > > > therefore the waves. Why would that happen? > > > > > > > > > > I have an explanation, but I don't think that you read it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post it; and do so under a new posting. (This one is getting > > > > > > > > > > so long that it's a nuisance to wait for the "newer" bunches of 25 > > > > > > > > > > each to get to the one(s) worth reading.) > > > > > > > > > > "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" > > > > > > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but > > > > > > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > > > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > > > > > > > The answer to this problem is that space is neither continuous nor > > > > > > > > > discrete, but indeterminately either one or the other. It is > > > > > > > > > indeterminate whether it is continuous or discrete. > > > > > > > > > > How can that be ? Consider 2 lengths A and B. A is existent, B is > > > > > > > > > nonexistent. > > > > > > > > > Let A be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > > > > > > Let B be nnnnnnnnnn > > > > > > > > > > If you compose them into a single length, there is no way to know > > > > > > > > > where the nnnnnnnnnn is located. It's position is indeterminate. You > > > > > > > > > can rearrange things so that the composition of A and B is either > > > > > > > > > continuous or discrete, and because nnnnnnnnnn is nonexistent the > > > > > > > > > distinction between continuity and discreteness becomes trivial. > > > > > > > > > > We must assume that particles are composed of bent space - just like > > > > > > > > > gravity in GR. Then, it becomes very obvious why the WP Duality is > > > > > > > > > perfectly sensible. > > > > > > > > > > If one asks "which way" in a given context, then nature returns an > > > > > > > > > answer in the format that you had requested - it is discretized. If > > > > > > > > > you dont ask which way, then space will be forced to behave as if > > > > > > > > > continuous and you will observe interference patterns. > > > > > > > > > > But the only way to make LENGTH behave that way is by composing the > > > > > > > > > existent with the nonexistent. Length cannot be made to behave that > > > > > > > > > way by any other means (that I am aware of). > > > > > > > > > Someone might want to discuss AD on this thread, might as well be me. > > > > > > > > > Aether is an elastic medium and does not rest when displaced. It > > > > > > > > pushes back. When matter displaces the aether, the pressure the aether > > > > > > > > exerts back towards the matter is gravity. > > > > > > > > > When a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit experiment, the > > > > > > > > displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in the aether enters and > > > > > > > > exits multiple slits while the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > > > > > slit. > > > > > > > > > The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of > > > > > > > > space directly in front of the path it is traveling. The particle > > > > > > > > cannot be detected without detecting the displacement wave. Detecting > > > > > > > > 'which way' means detecting the particle. Detecting the particle means > > > > > > > > detecting the displacement wave. > > > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop.. > > > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' destroys the displacement wave. > > > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands. The effect > > > > > > > > this expansion has on the surrounding aether > > > > > > > > and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > OK - I will play. Please explain what this means: > > > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop.. > > > > > > > > What is a chop ? > > > > > > >http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gVcSko056rYJ:www.lanelinestoshore... > > > > > > > "To facilitate our discussion, let's differentiate between two common > > > > > > types of rough water: Waves and chop. > > > > > > Waves travel in one direction - head-on, from your back, or from one- > > > > > > side. You either swim up and over them or > > > > > > you swim through them. Chop is many small waves coming from no > > > > > > discernible direction. (Look in your washing machine the next time > > > > > > it's on wash cycle)" > > > > > > Chop will knock a boat around, but since chop waves are random, won't > > > > > knock it off course like a wave can. With chop, the boat is as likely > > > > > to get knocked to the right as it does to the left. > > > > > > If you place detectors at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > > experiment performed with a C-60 molecule, when the displacement wave > > > > > exits both slits it is turned into chop. When the C-60 molecule exits > > > > > a slit, it will get knocked around by the chop, but it will not be > > > > > thrown off course as if there were no detectors at the exits to the > > > > > slits. If there are no detectors at the exits to the slits the > > > > > displacement wave exits the slits and creates interference. The waves > > > > > associated with the interference are able to alter the direction the > > > > > boat is traveling. Since the waves will cancel each other out > > > > > depending upon how they interact (the peak of one wave and the trough > > > > > of another), there will be places where the boat will not be 'pushed' > > > > > ashore. Same thing for a C-60 molecule. There will be places on the > > > > > screen where the C-60 molecule will not be detected because the > > > > > interference created by the displacement waves is unable to move the > > > > > C-60 molecule to these locations. That is why executing a particle is > > > > > able to create an interference pattern in a double slit experiment > > > > > when particle after particle is allowed to interact with its > > > > > displacement wave. And that is why detecting 'which way' allows the > > > > > particle to continue on in its path.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > A chop ? You're serious ? > > > > Yes. Did you understand what the definition of chop is? It is a bunch > > > of small random waves. That is what happens to the displacement wave > > > when you detect the particle. Think of a wave that is going to go > > > under a pier. The pillars under the pier are going to destroy the > > > wave. The pillars turn the wave into chop. > > > > That is what happens to the displacement wave the moving particle > > > creates in the substance of space when you detect the particle.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, I think you could also call that noise. But I think that the > > interaction between a wave and a stationary barrier is pretty well > > understood. Waves do not typically disintegrate into uniform noise > > after encountering a barrier, it would have to be a pretty specially > > constructed obstacle to get that effect dont ya thiink ? > > > It's not a bad idea, I'll give you credit for that. But I just dont > > think that the wave mechanics would support it. Just guessing. > > No, it doesn't have to be special at all. All it take is for the act > of detection to destroy the cohesion of a displacement wave in the > substance of space. Since we are talking about the substance of space, > any type of detection is going to 'throw off' the cohesion of the > displacement wave and the particle and not allow the direction the > particle travels to be altered by interference. > > Again, if you place buoys at the exits to the slits in order to detect > the boat, the bow wave isn't going to be able to maintain its cohesion > and create interference. Once the bow wave interact with the buoys > there are now multiple waves moving in all sorts of random directions > (i.e. chop). Noise is a very good term to describe what occurs to the displacement wave when detecting 'which wave'. The displacement wave becomes noise (i.e. chop). This effect the noise has on the direction the particle travels is negligible.
From: glird on 16 Dec 2009 11:46 On Dec 16, 9:10 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >< Since we are talking about the substance of space, > please answer my question: Do you consider "the substance of space" compressible or incompressible? If the former, do you think it is TOTALLY uncompressed when in space, as compared to when it's in "matter"? glird
From: Paul Stowe on 16 Dec 2009 11:50
On Dec 15, 10:08 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 15, 11:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 16, 12:03 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 15, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 15, 10:29 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 9:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Dec 13, 8:21 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wave-Particle Duality is explained. The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of space. > > > > > > > > > > >< So - why do interference patterns disappear after you ask "which way"?? > > > > > > > > > > What happened to the displacement wave ? Where did it go? > > > > > > > > > Asking "which way" seems to destroy the interference pattern, and > > > > > > > > > therefore the waves. Why would that happen? > > > > > > > > > I have an explanation, but I don't think that you read it. > > > > > > > > > > > Please post it; and do so under a new posting. (This one is getting > > > > > > > > > so long that it's a nuisance to wait for the "newer" bunches of 25 > > > > > > > > > each to get to the one(s) worth reading.) > > > > > > > > > "AetherDisplacement Rebuttal" > > > > > > > > > mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms ofaetherwaves, but > > > > > > > > cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and > > > > > > > > interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? > > > > > > > > > The answer to this problem is that space is neither continuous nor > > > > > > > > discrete, but indeterminately either one or the other. It is > > > > > > > > indeterminate whether it is continuous or discrete. > > > > > > > > > How can that be ? Consider 2 lengths A and B. A is existent, B is > > > > > > > > nonexistent. > > > > > > > > Let A be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > > > > > Let B be nnnnnnnnnn > > > > > > > > > If you compose them into a single length, there is no way to know > > > > > > > > where the nnnnnnnnnn is located. It's position is indeterminate. You > > > > > > > > can rearrange things so that the composition of A and B is either > > > > > > > > continuous or discrete, and because nnnnnnnnnn is nonexistent the > > > > > > > > distinction between continuity and discreteness becomes trivial. > > > > > > > > > We must assume that particles are composed of bent space - just like > > > > > > > > gravity in GR. Then, it becomes very obvious why the WP Duality is > > > > > > > > perfectly sensible. > > > > > > > > > If one asks "which way" in a given context, then nature returns an > > > > > > > > answer in the format that you had requested - it is discretized. If > > > > > > > > you dont ask which way, then space will be forced to behave as if > > > > > > > > continuous and you will observe interference patterns. > > > > > > > > > But the only way to make LENGTH behave that way is by composing the > > > > > > > > existent with the nonexistent. Length cannot be made to behave that > > > > > > > > way by any other means (that I am aware of). > > > > > > > > Someone might want to discuss AD on this thread, might as well be me. > > > > > > > >Aetheris an elastic medium and does not rest when displaced. It > > > > > > > pushes back. When matter displaces theaether, the pressure theaether > > > > > > > exerts back towards the matter is gravity. > > > > > > > > When a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit experiment, the > > > > > > > displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in theaetherenters and > > > > > > > exits multiple slits while the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > > > > slit. > > > > > > > > The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of > > > > > > > space directly in front of the path it is traveling. The particle > > > > > > > cannot be detected without detecting the displacement wave. Detecting > > > > > > > 'which way' means detecting the particle. Detecting the particle means > > > > > > > detecting the displacement wave. > > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' destroys the displacement wave. > > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > >aether. As the matter transitions toaetherit expands. The effect > > > > > > > this expansion has on the surroundingaether > > > > > > > and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > OK - I will play. Please explain what this means: > > > > > > > > Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop. > > > > > > > What is a chop ? > > > > > >http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gVcSko056rYJ:www.lanelinestoshore... > > > > > > "To facilitate our discussion, let's differentiate between two common > > > > > types of rough water: Waves and chop. > > > > > Waves travel in one direction - head-on, from your back, or from one- > > > > > side. You either swim up and over them or > > > > > you swim through them. Chop is many small waves coming from no > > > > > discernible direction. (Look in your washing machine the next time > > > > > it's on wash cycle)" > > > > > Chop will knock a boat around, but since chop waves are random, won't > > > > knock it off course like a wave can. With chop, the boat is as likely > > > > to get knocked to the right as it does to the left. > > > > > If you place detectors at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > experiment performed with a C-60 molecule, when the displacement wave > > > > exits both slits it is turned into chop. When the C-60 molecule exits > > > > a slit, it will get knocked around by the chop, but it will not be > > > > thrown off course as if there were no detectors at the exits to the > > > > slits. If there are no detectors at the exits to the slits the > > > > displacement wave exits the slits and creates interference. The waves > > > > associated with the interference are able to alter the direction the > > > > boat is traveling. Since the waves will cancel each other out > > > > depending upon how they interact (the peak of one wave and the trough > > > > of another), there will be places where the boat will not be 'pushed' > > > > ashore. Same thing for a C-60 molecule. There will be places on the > > > > screen where the C-60 molecule will not be detected because the > > > > interference created by the displacement waves is unable to move the > > > > C-60 molecule to these locations. That is why executing a particle is > > > > able to create an interference pattern in a double slit experiment > > > > when particle after particle is allowed to interact with its > > > > displacement wave. And that is why detecting 'which way' allows the > > > > particle to continue on in its path.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > A chop ? You're serious ? > > > Yes. Did you understand what the definition of chop is? It is a bunch > > of small random waves. That is what happens to the displacement wave > > when you detect the particle. Think of a wave that is going to go > > under a pier. The pillars under the pier are going to destroy the > > wave. The pillars turn the wave into chop. > > > That is what happens to the displacement wave the moving particle > > creates in the substance of space when you detect the particle.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, I think you could also call that noise. But I think that the > interaction between a wave and a stationary barrier is pretty well > understood. Waves do not typically disintegrate into uniform noise > after encountering a barrier, it would have to be a pretty specially > constructed obstacle to get that effect dont ya thiink ? But there are no 'stationary' barriers. All are made up of atomic 'particles' each in turn is moving, vibrating, and thus, their fields do likewise. These fields in turn extend into the spaces surrounding the 'barrier' and will in turn interact with any EM based phenomena coming under their influence. > It's not a bad idea, I'll give you credit for that. But I just dont > think that the wave mechanics would support it. Just guessing. Ask yourself what would happen if you lined a wall slit with allot of speakers and created a resonance within the slit. Then fired a, in turn, vibrating very light weight ball thru the slit. Will its path be affected??? This IS! like what you have with the slits of ordinary material objects... |