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From: Ray Fischer on 23 Jan 2010 15:39 rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> wrote: >Ray Fischer wrote: >> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >> >>>> According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually >>>> spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than >>>> the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not >>>> just 80% as per the USA. >>> Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by >>> some sort of health care program. >> >> Nope. > >See: emergency room. See: Idiot rightard who doesn't realize that emergency room bills must be paid. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: rendition on 23 Jan 2010 15:37 Brent wrote: > On 2010-01-23, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >> In message <hjfd8f$pjv$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Brent <tetraethyll >> eadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> writes >>> On 2010-01-23, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >>> >>>>> Also, an 80 year old person cannot get a kidney or transplant. Heart >>>>> transplant candidates are carefully screened. All of this is a form of >>>>> rationing. >>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and it >>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get screened for >>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However these >>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the government >>> employee does. >> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. > > I did not say what grounds the decision was made on, only who makes it. > The government employees make it. Because government is political most > of the decision making will be political. > >>> They decide how the health care pie is going to be split >>> up. They decide if the 80 year old is deserving of it or not. It's a >>> fixed supply system. That's the mentality it runs under. > >> That is the US mentality. Not the NHS mentality. > > That's the government mentality. > >> All I have seen so far is the US does not trust it's own governments. > > Government has killed more people than anything else in human history. > Government is fundamentally a criminal enterprise. Government and a > criminal gang with sufficent power are for all purposes the same thing. > > Well said.
From: rendition on 23 Jan 2010 15:44 Ray Fischer wrote: > rendition <ren(a)stimpy.org> wrote: >> Ray Fischer wrote: >>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>>>> According to an in depth discussion in another group The UK actually >>>>> spends less per person on health care (including dental) in the UK than >>>>> the USA spends per person. Also it covers EVERY person in the UK, not >>>>> just 80% as per the USA. >>>> Where do you get your 80% figure? Everyone in the US is covered by >>>> some sort of health care program. >>> Nope. >> See: emergency room. > > See: Idiot rightard who doesn't realize that emergency room bills must be paid. > Well of course they must, but then I never made such a statement, did I lying Ray? You're a real bucket of barf.
From: tony cooper on 23 Jan 2010 16:28 On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:31:05 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >In message <4b5b0a58$0$30934$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com>, Peter ><peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> writes >>"Chris H" <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote in message news:sdzdhdCBKvWLFAjF@p >>haedsys.demon.co.uk... >> >>> As I discovered this morning (and from the last 50 years of personal >>> experience) it is not rationed. The "rationed" and "death panels" is a >>> myth concocted by the US anti-Obama people. It is not something Brits >>> would recognise. >>> >> >>Basically true, > >It is true. I am British, living in the UK and had cause to use the NHS >this morning. > >>but many myths are based upon some fact. Health care is rationed, to >>some extent. I know of no system that gives unlimited treatment to all >>comers. > >The UK tries to as do many other systems. It does fall over sometimes in >practice. > >> Common sense tells us that is fiscally impossible. Here in the US, >>under our current system rationing is partially based upon ability to >>pay. > >Quite so. > >>No one really believes that the medical treatment given to our poverty >>level patients is the same as for those who can afford to pay. > >In the UK there is no difference. If there is no difference, then how can for-pay hospitals and doctors stay in business? No one would pay for private treatment if free treatment was equal to for-pay treatment. >>Also, an 80 year old person cannot get a kidney or transplant. Heart >>transplant candidates are carefully screened. All of this is a form of >>rationing. > >In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and it >would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get screened for >operations Sometimes that "screening process" takes month and months and months. > as no one wants to do pointless operations. However these >decisions are taken on medical grounds. You have a fairly good system over there. Don't over-egg the cake, though. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on 23 Jan 2010 16:39
>>>>> In the UK they would if they were fit enough for the operation and it >>>>> would improve their life. That said AFAIK all patients get screened for >>>>> operations as no one wants to do pointless operations. However these >>>>> decisions are taken on medical grounds. >>>> That's rationing of the pie. The customer doesn't decide, the government >>>> employee does. >>> Not at all the medical staff decide on MEDICAL grounds. If you have a bum knee, some doctor in the NHS will decide if you will get a replacement joint or not. You may have to live in pain and be severely constrained in your activities for years before a doctor decides that medical grounds are sufficient. In the US, the 80% who do have private insurance coverage will be on the table in a matter of days. The 20% who don't have private medical insurance will be treated like they are in the NHS system. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |