From: Duncan Kennedy on
David Kennedy <davidkennedy(a)nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:

> Hugh Browton wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:03:51 +0100, Bella Jones wrote
> > (in article<1jkx8o9.tm8snu1fjz7e1N%me9(a)privacy.net>):
> >
> >> Dear good people of ucsm
> >>
> >> I'm not a big poster here any more, but I do pop in. For months now it's
> >> been wall to wall pointless self-referential rows with Rowland.
> >
> > In defence - no, not only that.
>
> You are of course right but, as Bella said, it's drowning out anything
> useful and, most days, I give up after a few posts.
>
> >
> > But I agree that it makes the place look small minded.
> >
> > Listen to Bella, fellow-ucsm-ers.
> >

Well said, Bella. I'm quite new to the group, to Macs and to MacSoup
but I've discovered Comd+E to be the most useful function around - even
if it wipes something that might be useful in the thread.


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duncank
From: Pd on
Dr Geoff Hone <gnhone(a)globalnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Other forums manage to have some quite heated arguments in a dignified
> manner and without any personal abuse. It could happen here - but I
> doubt if it will.

It used to. But when you have a mad bloke and another bloke who won't
"put up that kind of abuse" and quite a few people who still think they
can have a rational discussion with the mad bloke, and none of them are
wont to use a killfile, you have the current shambles.

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Pd
From: Ben Shimmin on
Dr Geoff Hone <gnhone(a)globalnet.co.uk>:

[...]

> Actually Bella, I don't think it is extraordinary.
> Several people have posted serious items, with the best of intentions,
> only to have Rowland attack them over some trivial point. Maybe they
> were in error, maybe not, but when it happens more than once, it will
> only be natural for them to point out when Rowland has made an error.
>
> There is no excuse for some of the intemperate language used, but this
> appears on both sides, and I try not to respond to it. When, however,
> we get statements that are about as factual as "World War Bomber found
> on the Moon", then there are only two options:
> Point out the error (and risk the backlash)
> Let it pass (and it now becomes a sort of reality on the basis that it
> was on the Internet)
>
> Other forums manage to have some quite heated arguments in a dignified
> manner and without any personal abuse. It could happen here - but I
> doubt if it will.

But this is all just an extension of the `someone's *wrong* on the
Internet' thing. Seriously, who cares whether Rowland's right about
16th century canals or whatever the hell it is you're arguing with him
about? This is a newsgroup about Macs. Argue about those, please.
Or, better, have civil discussions about them and kill-file people who
aren't able to.

b.

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From: bella jonez on
Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote:
> On 2010-07-01, bella jonez <bellajonez(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Bella Jones <me9(a)privacy.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>OTOH you
> >> hardly did much for the image of a Mac user "community" or "clique"
> > > to
> >> give it its proper name.
> >>
> >
> > Was that directed at me personally? Just wondering!
>
> I doubt it. It's just Steve holding a mirror up to himself as usual.

Again, I'm just baffled at the outbursts of nastiness. It's not just
Rowland.
From: Chris Ridd on
On 2010-07-01 17:14:27 +0100, bella jonez said:

> Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-07-01, bella jonez <bellajonez(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Bella Jones <me9(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OTOH you
>>>> hardly did much for the image of a Mac user "community" or "clique"
>>>> to
>>>> give it its proper name.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Was that directed at me personally? Just wondering!
>>
>> I doubt it. It's just Steve holding a mirror up to himself as usual.
>
> Again, I'm just baffled at the outbursts of nastiness. It's not just
> Rowland.

I do feel it is time to bring back the punishemnt fodler. Is it still around?
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Chris