From: Steve Firth on
Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote:

> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > As to the identity of the person, they are a user of x-noarchive. Now I
>> would guess they do that for a reason such as a belief that usenet
>> should be ephemeral and people should not be raking over the minutiae
>> of their posts in order to fling monkey poo. So, no, I won't satisfy
>> your monkey curiosity.
>
> My leafnode install here hasn't been texpire'd in many a month.

Perhaps you could learn to be somewhat more honest about your quoting?
From: Rowland McDonnell on
Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:

> Dr Geoff Hone <gnhone(a)globalnet.co.uk>:
[snip fanciful nonsense]
> > Other forums manage to have some quite heated arguments in a dignified
> > manner and without any personal abuse. It could happen here - but I
> > doubt if it will.

You are one of the main sources of personal abuse on this newsgroup - if
you want the personal abuse gone, just stop writing it and posting it.

But of course you don't, do you? You like being abusive - it's how you
engage in `debate'.

> But this is all just an extension of the `someone's *wrong* on the
> Internet' thing. Seriously, who cares whether Rowland's right about
> 16th century canals or whatever the hell it is you're arguing with him
> about? This is a newsgroup about Macs. Argue about those, please.
> Or, better, have civil discussions about them and kill-file people who
> aren't able to.

I thought I was having a civil discussion about canals.

The problem, I think, is that `Dr' Geoff gets really narked if anyone
should suggest that he's not totally correct about something he says,
and claims that if someone disagrees with a claim he makes, then it's a
personal attack against him.

He needs to learn to separate things out in his mind, and learn that
when someone disagrees with him as I often do, it's not a personal
attack.

He also needs to learn to take the personal abuse out of it when he's
expressing disagreement on a matter of opinion - but he's not got the
hang of that yet, always preferring to make personally abusive remarks
if someone should make a remark that he considers factually inaccurate.

If he can learn those aspects of civilised behaviour, it'll improve
things no end.

But I don't think he has any interest in improving his behaviour at all.

Rowland.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote:

> James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:
>
> > It could happen if we ditch the usenet group and go to forums. That way
> > we could get rid of Rowland and he couldn't keep telling us how much of
> > a technical group it is and how he created it. The usual stuff really.
>
> We could effectively get rid of Rowland by using our killfiles and self
> control a bit more - and I'm speaking as a serial offender here.

You could include more people by not taking a shitty line like that.

Why get rid of Rowland? Oh, it's because you don't like me objecting to
your insults and abuse, is it?

Pfft.

If you don't like me objecting to your abusiveness, I suggest you lay
off the personal abuse - how about it? You'll find that works very
well: just stop insulting me, and I'll stop objecting to your insults.

Just learn how to behave in a fashion that's not nastily rude - if you
can.

You lot really are *incredibly* rude, you know that? Talking about me
as if I weren't here, and making such incredibly insulting remarks, too.

<shrug>

But of course, whatever Jim does is perfectly acceptable, whatever he
chooses to do, isn't it?

Rowland.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> bella jonez <bellajonez(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Again, I'm just baffled at the outbursts of nastiness. It's not just
> > Rowland.
>
> All these people are just being true to themselves. Sadly.

You too, Peter.

Why else do you go around calling me paranoid and hurling other grossly
ignorant insults in my direction, eh?

You're as guilty as anyone else on this newsgroup for adding to the bad
feeling.

One of the biggest problems this place has is that the guilty parties
just won't admit their own faults for the most part - you're one of the
worst of the lot for that.

Rowland.
(who understands pretty well what effects he has here, and is
unapologetic for reasons he's not going to explain.)

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From: Jim on
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> Perhaps you could learn to be somewhat more honest about your quoting?

Your evasion is noted. And expected.

Jim
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