From: James Jolley on
On 2010-07-02 09:08:35 +0100, Sak Wathanasin <sw(a)nan.co.uk> said:

> On 1 July, 21:07, James Jolley <jrjol...(a)me.com> wrote:
>
>> And just what the hell am I meant to have done to any of you? I don't
>> see it myself. Rowland causes trouble and you all just sit there and
>> let him upset me specifically and give me a grilling whenever I dish
>> back? What a funny world we live in.
>
> Noone's having a go at you, James, and noone's "enjoying" Rowland's
> posts about because most of us have killfiled him. All we see are your
> pointless responses to him. If you calm down and read what people have
> been saying to you, it boils down to "ignore everything Rowland posts
> and don't get sucked into a slanging match". That's it. It's just
> friendly advice intended to save you from high-blood pressure. Feel
> free to ignore it.

That's fair.
>
>> Why am I always the bad one on here folks?
>
> The fact that people are giving you advice means that they want you to
> continue participating in the group; if you hadn't had any responses
> it would mean that people had given up on you and added you to their
> killfile.

Some of them yes. There are, however, a few who openly admit to me
being some sort of trolll. Ian Piper it appears being one of them.

From: Sak Wathanasin on
On 2 July, 08:32, m...(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) wrote:

> Nastiness needs other nastiness to survive and no one
> comes out of it looking good in the end.

Not only that, employers do know how to use Google and those
vituperative resposnes that you dashed off in the heat of the moment
could cost you a job in a few years' time. I've had at least one
interview where the opening remark was "we've done a search for you on
the net and..."

From: Bella Jones on
Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:

> Bella Jones <me9(a)privacy.net>:
>
> [...]
>
> > And I have, of course, peeked into my killfile on the iPhone and seen
> > the cataract of abuse this has invoked from Rowland. I really wish
> > people would stop responding to this. It is totally unfair on the group
> > and spoiling it. Nastiness needs other nastiness to survive and no one
> > comes out of it looking good in the end.
>
> I have nothing to contribute to this other than to commend you for
> the lovely expression `cataract of abuse'.

Thanks :-)

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From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 09:13:02 +0100, James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com>
wrote:

>On 2010-07-02 09:08:35 +0100, Sak Wathanasin <sw(a)nan.co.uk> said:
>
>> On 1 July, 21:07, James Jolley <jrjol...(a)me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And just what the hell am I meant to have done to any of you? I don't
>>> see it myself. Rowland causes trouble and you all just sit there and
>>> let him upset me specifically and give me a grilling whenever I dish
>>> back? What a funny world we live in.
>>
>> Noone's having a go at you, James, and noone's "enjoying" Rowland's
>> posts about because most of us have killfiled him. All we see are your
>> pointless responses to him. If you calm down and read what people have
>> been saying to you, it boils down to "ignore everything Rowland posts
>> and don't get sucked into a slanging match". That's it. It's just
>> friendly advice intended to save you from high-blood pressure. Feel
>> free to ignore it.
>
>That's fair.

It's certainly what I keep saying.

>>> Why am I always the bad one on here folks?
>>
>> The fact that people are giving you advice means that they want you to
>> continue participating in the group; if you hadn't had any responses
>> it would mean that people had given up on you and added you to their
>> killfile.
>
>Some of them yes. There are, however, a few who openly admit to me
>being some sort of trolll. Ian Piper it appears being one of them.

That may well be because they've killfiled Rowland (plus all the idiot
little hanger-on doodz), so your intemperate and sweary responses are
now the worst language in the group that they see.

So of you don't make those responses, for example by killfiling
Rowland if you can't help but get drawn in to a slanging match, and
get back to conversations about Apple kit and accessibility, then
we'll all learn more.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
You're only young once, but you can remain immature indefinitely.
From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 01:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Sak Wathanasin <sw(a)nan.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 2 July, 08:32, m...(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) wrote:
>
>> Nastiness needs other nastiness to survive and no one
>> comes out of it looking good in the end.
>
>Not only that, employers do know how to use Google and those
>vituperative resposnes that you dashed off in the heat of the moment
>could cost you a job in a few years' time. I've had at least one
>interview where the opening remark was "we've done a search for you on
>the net and..."

I haven't, but I'm expecting it. Having a globally unique name is
probably a Bad Thing these days. Although I've bumped into a James
Vandenberg, which was pretty close.

Cheers - Jaimie
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"I love the way that Microsoft follows standards.
In much the same manner as fish follow migrating caribou."
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