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From: James Jolley on 1 Jul 2010 16:04 On 2010-07-01 07:49:03 +0100, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) said: > Hugh Browton <useneth@**.not.uk> wrote: > >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:03:51 +0100, Bella Jones wrote >> (in article <1jkx8o9.tm8snu1fjz7e1N%me9(a)privacy.net>): >> >>> Dear good people of ucsm >>> >>> I'm not a big poster here any more, but I do pop in. For months now it's >>> been wall to wall pointless self-referential rows with Rowland. >> >> In defence - no, not only that. >> >> But I agree that it makes the place look small minded. >> >> Listen to Bella, fellow-ucsm-ers. > > I don't mean it has been *only* that, but the last few months have been > especially florid. It doesn't look good. > > Whether he intends it or not is immaterial - Rowland has become the > uber-troll, and it's working. Interesting points. What's even more interesting is the general victimisation of people who oppose him as well. Rowland quite willingly tries to discredit and abuse people, me specifically and many here sit back and enjoy. Like I said, that's why I can't be bothered as much as I once was, perhaps the novelty has worn off perhaps? You know, having someone who is interested in the access side onboard? I don't know really but that's how i've been feeling this past couple of months. As you know, I did leave this groupd for a few weeks not long ago because of Rowland and the clique joining in. Much as people criticise Steve, he's actually been very fair as far as I can see. He's always been fine with me. Steve Firth may sound harsh on here, but sometimes that is necessary.
From: James Jolley on 1 Jul 2010 16:05 On 2010-07-01 08:25:29 +0100, djp <null(a)invalid.invalid> said: > me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) wrote: > >> Hugh Browton <useneth@**.not.uk> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:03:51 +0100, Bella Jones wrote (in article >>> <1jkx8o9.tm8snu1fjz7e1N%me9(a)privacy.net>): >>> >>>> Dear good people of ucsm >>>> >>>> I'm not a big poster here any more, but I do pop in. For months now >>>> it's been wall to wall pointless self-referential rows with Rowland. >>> >>> In defence - no, not only that. >>> >>> But I agree that it makes the place look small minded. >>> >>> Listen to Bella, fellow-ucsm-ers. >> >> I don't mean it has been *only* that, but the last few months have been >> especially florid. It doesn't look good. >> >> Whether he intends it or not is immaterial - Rowland has become the >> uber-troll, and it's working. > > It certainly does not look good, there may, or may not, be an uber-troll on > the loose but the damaging bit is the wall of posts from the vindictive and > self-righteous giving him a good kicking. > > I have kill-filed the alleged uber-troll, a lot of his posts are responses > to various jibes rather than substance, and I have also kill-filed > references to the said uber-troll thereby getting rid of all the subsequent > dross. > > The group becomes easier to read without the need to keep skipping over all > the rubbish. The trouble is though that you're killfiling the very people who actually know stuff and can contribute. I know you all have me killfiled, simply because I won't stand for being shouted at and abused on the internet. Sorry none of you like it.
From: James Jolley on 1 Jul 2010 16:07 On 2010-07-01 10:20:58 +0100, chris <ithinkiam(a)gmail.com> said: > On 01/07/10 08:25, djp wrote: >> me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) wrote: >> >>> Hugh Browton<useneth@**.not.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:03:51 +0100, Bella Jones wrote (in article >>>> <1jkx8o9.tm8snu1fjz7e1N%me9(a)privacy.net>): >>>> >>>>> Dear good people of ucsm >>>>> >>>>> I'm not a big poster here any more, but I do pop in. For months now >>>>> it's been wall to wall pointless self-referential rows with Rowland. >>>> >>>> In defence - no, not only that. >>>> >>>> But I agree that it makes the place look small minded. >>>> >>>> Listen to Bella, fellow-ucsm-ers. >>> >>> I don't mean it has been *only* that, but the last few months have been >>> especially florid. It doesn't look good. >>> >>> Whether he intends it or not is immaterial - Rowland has become the >>> uber-troll, and it's working. >> >> It certainly does not look good, there may, or may not, be an uber-troll on >> the loose but the damaging bit is the wall of posts from the vindictive and >> self-righteous giving him a good kicking. >> >> I have kill-filed the alleged uber-troll, a lot of his posts are responses >> to various jibes rather than substance, and I have also kill-filed >> references to the said uber-troll thereby getting rid of all the subsequent >> dross. >> >> The group becomes easier to read without the need to keep skipping over all >> the rubbish. > > I'm mostly a lurker here, and kill-filing Rowland and James has made > the place much easier to browse. But, like Bella said, if no-one > responded then we'd all be happier. Esp. when some of the responders > use broken newsreaders that only reference Rowland's and James's posts > thereby showing up as new threads that I need to re-ignore. And just what the hell am I meant to have done to any of you? I don't see it myself. Rowland causes trouble and you all just sit there and let him upset me specifically and give me a grilling whenever I dish back? What a funny world we live in. Why am I always the bad one on here folks?
From: James Jolley on 1 Jul 2010 16:12 On 2010-07-01 11:08:50 +0100, nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk (Duncan Kennedy) said: > David Kennedy <davidkennedy(a)nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote: > >> Hugh Browton wrote: >>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:03:51 +0100, Bella Jones wrote >>> (in article<1jkx8o9.tm8snu1fjz7e1N%me9(a)privacy.net>): >>> >>>> Dear good people of ucsm >>>> >>>> I'm not a big poster here any more, but I do pop in. For months now it's >>>> been wall to wall pointless self-referential rows with Rowland. >>> >>> In defence - no, not only that. >> >> You are of course right but, as Bella said, it's drowning out anything >> useful and, most days, I give up after a few posts. >> >>> >>> But I agree that it makes the place look small minded. >>> >>> Listen to Bella, fellow-ucsm-ers. >>> > > Well said, Bella. I'm quite new to the group, to Macs and to MacSoup > but I've discovered Comd+E to be the most useful function around - even > if it wipes something that might be useful in the thread. Well at least you didn't have a go at me like many who have responded to this thread. All killfile Jimbo, that's it.
From: James Jolley on 1 Jul 2010 16:15
On 2010-07-01 14:35:42 +0100, gnhone(a)globalnet.co.uk (Dr Geoff Hone) said: > > There is no excuse for some of the intemperate language used, but this > appears on both sides, and I try not to respond to it. When, however, > we get statements that are about as factual as "World War Bomber found > on the Moon", then there are only two options: > Point out the error (and risk the backlash) > Let it pass (and it now becomes a sort of reality on the basis that it > was on the Internet) I agree with this. I admit, I react, but I have no way of really avoiding it. I have to defend myself. It's a confidence thing really with me. > > Other forums manage to have some quite heated arguments in a dignified > manner and without any personal abuse. It could happen here - but I > doubt if it will. It could happen if we ditch the usenet group and go to forums. That way we could get rid of Rowland and he couldn't keep telling us how much of a technical group it is and how he created it. The usual stuff really. |