Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 13 Jul 2008 00:22 On Jul 12, 5:01�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:1b978aa3-9206-4e7f-96e0-3fc23af80b9e(a)w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 11, 8:03 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 12:24 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 10, 8:39 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 6:50 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 10, 3:04 pm, James Burns <burns...(a)osu.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 1:20?pm, James Burns <burns...(a)osu.edu> wrote: > > > > > > >>rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > >>>Well, all you are doing is saying that God is guilty of > > > > > > >>>murder every time a natural death occurs. ?I do not > > > > > > >>>think you will get far with that idea. > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > >>Assuming that you choose to clarify what you are trying to > > > > > > >>say, thanks in advance. > > > > > > > Well, according to the Bible, natural events are controlled > > > > > > > by humans on the earth. > > > > > > > If I take this as the clarification I asked for, of what > > > > > > you mean by "natural death" (which I think most people > > > > > > would consider a death that is not caused by humans, > > > > > > not cause by diseases, not caused by anything identifiable), > > > > > > then I suppose you are saying that no deaths are > > > > > > natural deaths. Do I understand you properly? > > > > > > > If this is what you mean, then you shouldn't be > > > > > > surprised if others have difficulties understanding you. > > > > > > > > If the people obey God's > > > > > > > commandments, they prosper in the land, the elements are > > > > > > > tempered in their favor, and their lives are safe an > > > > > > > protected by heaven. This does not happen very often. > > > > > > > We know that in the last days, wickedness on earth > > > > > > > will be greater than at any other time in the history > > > > > > > of earth. So we cannot expect favorable conditions. > > > > > > > The choice to have things this way was not God's. > > > > > > > It was made by men who reject God. If the people in > > > > > > > Noah's day had listened to Noah, there would have been > > > > > > > no flood. So how do you figure it was God's faullt? > > > > > > > You seem to be arguing that God is not responsible for > > > > > > anything. That seems to fit well with my own position, > > > > > > although we do arrive there from very different > > > > > > directions. > > > > > > > Keep up the good work. We'll make an atheist of you yet. > > > > > > > Just kidding. I don't really believe you're serious when > > > > > > you argue this way. A few posts after you post how God > > > > > > is responsible for nothing, you will post that God is > > > > > > responsible for everything. > > > > > > > There is no consistency in what you write, but maybe > > > > > > you see no problem in that. Do you see logic as a trap for > > > > > > the conscience? > > > > > > > Jim Burns > > > > > > Well, you atheists were the ones who were saying God should be > > > > > indicted for murder because natural deaths occur. Which court do you > > > > > plan to file that case in? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Wait a minute, you only include natural death, what about the sins and > > > > deaths caused by your god? > > > > All must be filed in our human court, and you must drag your god to > > > > the criminal court, OK?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > It already happened. He was sentenced to death. So what do you > > > think, you are going to do it again? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Ah, so he was dead as a human, like modern criminal die of lethal > > injection. > > So, he was no god, right?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Wrong. �He had power to lay down his life. �He had power to take it up > again. �He was resurrected three days after he was crucified. > ========================================= > And Harry Potter can fly on a broomstick to play quiditch. > Makes as much sense as your wholly babble stories. > > Smiler, I am sure it does to you. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 13 Jul 2008 00:23 On Jul 12, 5:43�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:43c4adf8-d379-4a72-815c-bc35c1c84eaf(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 11, 5:04?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:6ebcae55-3c20-4ea3-960e-25f802c31860(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com.... > > On Jul 10, 8:51?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1b629e70-db18-4208-a3da-4381dcebabb4(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Jul 8, 8:45?pm, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > There were some atheists who said Harry Potter went on the train > > > > > from > > > > > London to wizard's school. > > > > > And once again, child, you have confused fiction with reality... > > > > Harry Potter is fiction. ?The woman who wrote the books said it was > > > fiction. ?I know this may come as a shock to atheists. > > > =================================== > > > > The bible is also fiction. We don't even know who wrote it. > > > I know this may come as a shock to christians. > > > Get over it. > > > No, Smiler, the Bible tells about the construction of Hezekiah's > > tunnel. ? Didn't we discuss this before. > > ================================ > > And the Harry Potter books tell us about Kings Cross station and London.. > > Both the Harry Potter books and the bible are fiction. > > Get over it. > > > Smiler, > > If you want to believe that the Bible is fiction, it seems to me that > you are free to believe that the Bible is fiction. �I will tell you > what. �Why don't you decide for yourself what you believe, and I will > decide for myself what I believe? �Does this seem unfair to you? > ============================================== > Not unfair if you keep your stupid beliefs out of a.a. > > Smiler, > The godless one > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - As I said, take sci.physics and sci.physics relativity out of the header. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 13 Jul 2008 00:29 On Jul 12, 5:55�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:8f6441e9-fda5-4186-822b-64ad4a5a1576(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 11, 5:04?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:6ebcae55-3c20-4ea3-960e-25f802c31860(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com.... > > On Jul 10, 8:51?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:1b629e70-db18-4208-a3da-4381dcebabb4(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Jul 8, 8:45?pm, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > There were some atheists who said Harry Potter went on the train > > > > > from > > > > > London to wizard's school. > > > > > And once again, child, you have confused fiction with reality... > > > > Harry Potter is fiction. ?The woman who wrote the books said it was > > > fiction. ?I know this may come as a shock to atheists. > > > =================================== > > > > The bible is also fiction. We don't even know who wrote it. > > > I know this may come as a shock to christians. > > > Get over it. > > > No, Smiler, the Bible tells about the construction of Hezekiah's > > tunnel. ? Didn't we discuss this before. > > ================================ > > And the Harry Potter books tell us about Kings Cross station and London.. > > Both the Harry Potter books and the bible are fiction. > > Get over it. > > > Smiler, > > The godless one > > a.a.# 2275- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Harry Potter and Kings Cross station are not even mentioned in the > Bible. �So how do you claim that Harry Potter and King's Cross station > prove that the Bible is fiction? > ========================================= > Where did I claim that? > A tunnel exists in Jerusalem that is known as Hezikiah's tunnel. > Kings Cross station exists in London. > Both these 'constructions' are mentioned in books. > Neither is proof of the veracity of either of these books, unless you can > show otherwise. > I bet you can't, though. > > Smiler, > The godless one > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I already did. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 13 Jul 2008 00:34 On Jul 12, 6:40�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:760e896a-d3a2-4f6b-822a-740a8d399fd9(a)j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 12, 8:22?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:58:08 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > wrote: > > > >Well, that could be. ?I had to give a speech because I had the best > > >grades in my high school class. ?I talked about how wonderful college > > >was going to be. > > > More vague prophesies? > > > Linda ff > > False prophecies. �I did not really believe what I was saying. > ============================== > Do you ever? > > Smiler, > The godless one > a.a.# 2279 I do now. Robert B. Winn
From: The Natural Philosopher on 13 Jul 2008 02:52
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 11, 4:14�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> Antares 531 wrote: >>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:17:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> >>> wrote: >>>> Antares 531 wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:15:08 -0700, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) >>>>> wrote: >>> (snip) >>>>> Ben, there is an ABUNDANCE of evidence that God exists, >>>> Which God though? >>> The One whose prophecies are repeatedly and accurately fulfilled. >> OH, you mean a SCIENTIST. >> >> I thought we were talking religion.. > > How about this prophecy? > > x'=(x-vt)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) > y'=y > z'=z > t'=t > > You atheists have no trouble believing this miracle. An object in > motion relative to a frame of reference contracts in length until at > the speed of light its length is zero. Speed of light relative to what Robbo? You don't even begin to understand this 'miracle' I bet you don't even begin to understand the 'miracle' that you are reading this on. All science is about accurate prediction of the future. If you type something here, and all the proper elements of the satanic rituals are in place, and all the little satanists have connected the plugs and wires, and all the little satanic devices have been properly manufactured, and everything in a vast technical infrastructure all based on applied science are in place, and have been properly tested to be working, then magically the words *will* appear on several hundred computer screens all over the world. After you press the send button. Now that doesn't make Scientific theorems on which all this is based, including quantum physics, TRUE, but at least the stuff does something pretty useful and miraculous. Whereas the best you can come up with is an ill defined set of rules and behaviours that will, after I am dead, somehow save me from something and catapult me into something else: however I can find no instance of anyone actually having been there and back to even begin to confirm whether this will in fact happen or not. Ok there's an old story about one guy who allegedly did, but he could have been lying anyway. And you want me to accept this as absolute cast iron FACT? purleeze.. It's just more of Kiplings Bandar Log.. > Robert B. Winn |