Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 4 Aug 2008 03:10 On Aug 4, 1:50 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > in alt.atheism: > > > >On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> > On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> >> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > >> >> in alt.atheism: > > > >> >>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> ... > > > >> >>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > >> >>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > >> >>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > >> >>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > >> >> No evidence backs up your claim. > > > >> > Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > > >> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > > > >John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > > >week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > > >fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > > >them, Peace be unto you. > > > >John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > > >coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > >10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > >caught. > > >11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > >fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > > >many, yet was not the net broken. > > >12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > > >ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > >13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > > >likewise. > > > >14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > >disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > > The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. So why don't you accept > it as evidence? > Robert B. Winn No it's not. Al
From: hhyapster on 4 Aug 2008 03:34 On Aug 4, 11:34 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 3, 4:18 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Aug 3, 8:12 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > >>>> in alt.atheism: > > >>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>> ... > > >>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > >>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > >>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > >>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > >>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > > >>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > >> I have a Bible. There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > > > > John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > > > week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > > > fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > > > them, Peace be unto you. > > > > John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > > > coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > > 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > > caught. > > > 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > > fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > > > many, yet was not the net broken. > > > 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > > > ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > > 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > > > likewise. > > > > 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > > disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > > No, that's not evidence. That's a claim. > > Well, you have to understand something about rules of evidence. If > something exists, it can be entered into evidence. The Bible > exists. > So what is your position, that the Bible does not exist, therefore it > cannot be entered into evidence? > This is the same tactic you have used from the beginning concerning > Hezekiah's tunnel. > Robert B. Winn So, Harry Potter book exists. That means the fiction figure are real and the book is the evidence? This is the same as your argument above.
From: hhyapster on 4 Aug 2008 03:40 On Aug 4, 11:50 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > in alt.atheism: > > > >On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> > On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> >> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > >> >> in alt.atheism: > > > >> >>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> ... > > > >> >>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > >> >>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > >> >>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > >> >>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > >> >> No evidence backs up your claim. > > > >> > Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > > >> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > > > >John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > > >week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > > >fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > > >them, Peace be unto you. > > > >John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > > >coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > >10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > >caught. > > >11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > >fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > > >many, yet was not the net broken. > > >12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > > >ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > >13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > > >likewise. > > > >14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > >disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > > The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. So why don't you accept > it as evidence? > Robert B. Winn Since when is bible being accepted as evidence in court? Liar.
From: rbwinn on 4 Aug 2008 07:34 On Aug 3, 5:30�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:58:25 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Aug 3, 8:54?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:50:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >> in alt.atheism: > > >> >On Aug 2, 7:23?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> >> The word in question is "egkuos". This word can be defined as: > > >> >> >> swelling inside, i.e. pregnant -- great with child. > > >> >> >> You are using "great with child" and assuming that's what the writer of > >> >> >> Luke meant. Not sure how you get that, actually. Most people today > >> >> >> would use the word "pregnant", not the phrase "great with child".. > > >> >> > Well, what you are saying is that you believe that Luke was so feeble > >> >> > minded that he would have believed there was something other than a > >> >> > child in the womb of a pregnant woman. ? Nothing he wrote would > >> >> > indicate that he was feeble minded. > > >> >> No, I'm not saying that at all. > > >> >Well, you absolutely are. ?You regard me as so stupid that you think > >> >you can convince me that a pregnant woman does not have a child in her > >> >womb. ?Why would you treat Luke any different? > > >> Once again, you misrepresent the discussion.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >The discussion was whether a pregnant woman has a child in her womb. > >You claimed she did not. > > I never claimed anything, but the facts are that both in science and law > a child becomes a child at birth. Your delusions to the contrary do not > change reality.- Hide quoted text - > You just claimed it again. The fact is that both science and law do not change the fact that a pregnant woman has a child in her womb. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 4 Aug 2008 07:40
On Aug 3, 8:38�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 3, 4:18 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Aug 3, 8:12 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > >>>> I have a Bible. There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > >>> them, Peace be unto you. > >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > >>> caught. > >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > >>> many, yet was not the net broken. > >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > >>> likewise. > >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > >> No, that's not evidence. That's a claim. > > > Well, you have to understand something about rules of evidence. �If > > something exists, it can be entered into evidence. �The Bible > > exists. > > This post exists. �This post says that unicorns exist. �Therefore, this > post can be entered into evidence and unicorns must exist. �Right? > > Or is "unicorns exist" just a claim? No, it is evidence that you are not telling the truth. > > So what is your position, that the Bible does not exist, therefore it > > cannot be entered into evidence? > > This is the same tactic you have used from the beginning concerning > > Hezekiah's tunnel. > > Um, no. �And you cannot prove that any atheist has ever said anything > about Hezekiah's tunnel not existing, so you might as well give up that > tripe. > One atheist a few years back said that Hezekiah's tunnel was a hoax perpetrated by Jerusalem tour guides. Robert B. Winn |