Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Free Lunch on 4 Aug 2008 00:42 On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:34:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Aug 3, 4:18?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Aug 3, 8:12 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> >>>> in alt.atheism: >> >>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>> ... >> >>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. >> >>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? >> >>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the >> >>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. >> >>>> No evidence backs up your claim. >> >>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. >> >> I have a Bible. There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. >> >> > John 20:19 ?Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the >> > week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for >> > fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto >> > them, Peace be unto you. >> >> > John 21:9 ?As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of >> > coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. >> > 10 ? Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now >> > caught. >> > 11 ? Simon Peter ?went up, and drew the net to land full of great >> > fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: ?and for all there were so >> > many, yet was not the net broken. >> > 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst >> > ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. >> > 13 ?Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish >> > likewise. >> >> > 14 ?This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his >> > disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. >> >> No, that's not evidence. ?That's a claim. >> >Well, you have to understand something about rules of evidence. If >something exists, it can be entered into evidence. The Bible >exists. Yes, it does and it can be used as evidence about what is written in the Bible. It cannot be used as evidence about history or science or the existence of any gods. It is demonstrably unreliable. >So what is your position, that the Bible does not exist, therefore it >cannot be entered into evidence? That is not my position. You know that, but you have chosen, of your own free, twisted will to lie about it. >This is the same tactic you have used from the beginning concerning >Hezekiah's tunnel. Again, you have chosen to lie about that. Too bad you have to lie about everything here.
From: Free Lunch on 4 Aug 2008 00:43 On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:50:38 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Aug 3, 4:29?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> >> >> in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. >> >> >>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? >> >> >>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the >> >> >>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. >> >> >> No evidence backs up your claim. >> >> >> > Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. >> >> >> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. >> >> >John 20:19 ?Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the >> >week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for >> >fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto >> >them, Peace be unto you. >> >> >John 21:9 ?As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of >> >coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. >> >10 ? Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now >> >caught. >> >11 ? Simon Peter ?went up, and drew the net to land full of great >> >fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: ?and for all there were so >> >many, yet was not the net broken. >> >12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst >> >ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. >> >13 ?Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish >> >likewise. >> >> >14 ?This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his >> >disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. >> >> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - >> > >The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. So why don't you accept >it as evidence? The Bible is not accepted as evidence in court except to the extent of identifying what the words in it might be if there were a controversy. It is never allowed for history or science.
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 4 Aug 2008 01:19 On Aug 2, 11:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 1, 5:34 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:20f1e376-9a97-48d1-9da4-f7cf581dcafc(a)w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > > On Aug 1, 4:39?am, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 1:11?pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > ============================ > > > > > All Christs are false, even the first one. > > > > > Well, I think that the best person to tell your idea would be Jesus > > > > Christ. ?Why don't you take some time to tell him what you think when > > > > he returns to judge the earth? > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Do you know that your mental illness is getting worse? > > > You have no way to explain when asked, then you avoid like a scared > > > dog losing its fight and ran with tail in between ?the legs.- Hide quoted > > > text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > How did you come to this conclusion? > > ================================== > > We can all tell that you're as mad as a hatter and as thick as a housebrick > > without us having any qualifications in psychiatry. > > The evidence is in all your posts. > > ======================================== > > > Were you aware that trying to > > practice psychiatry without a license is a felony? > > ================================== > > Show where is he PRACTISING psychiatry, skippy. > > Any time that you declare a person insane you are practicing > psychiatry. What the law requires you to do is to go to a court and > submit a petition requesting the institutionalization of a person > believed to be insane. > Robert B. Winn Nope. Telling someone they are crazy is not practicing psychiatry anymore than noticing someone has flat feet is practicing podiatry. Some people exhibit obvious enough symptoms for a layperson to provide a rough diagnosis. The purpose of certifying psychiatry is to restrict those who offer services to others as such, and to control prescribing of drugs to those with suitable training. To institutionalise a person (in my country, not sure about yours) you need both a medical practitioner and a justice of the peace, a magistrate, or a judge. Psychiatrists as medical practitioners, still need the assistance of at least a JP. In no way are psychiatrists required by law to institutionalise everyone they find to be insane. And in fact they would be required to sign their name to a statement that they believe the person is a danger to themselves or others. Not, so much that they are mentally ill. I'm wondering what your obsession with institutionalisation is about. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 4 Aug 2008 01:42 On Aug 2, 11:44 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 1, 7:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote:> rbwinn wrote: > > > On Aug 1, 7:34 am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>> What makes a book fiction or non-fiction is the intent of the author or > > >>> authors. A fiction book is an account of imaginary events. > > >> Exactly so, and THAT is why the Bible is fiction. I'm glad you > > >> understand that, you may be making progress. > > > > The proclamation of an atheist has no real power. It does not change > > > reality. > > > And the proclamation of a religious nutter such as yourself has even > > less power. It doesn't even acknowledge reality. > > So why was I the one who acknowledged that Hezekiah's tunnel exists > while atheists tried to claim that tour guides in Jerusalem were > taking tourists through solid rock? > Robert B. Winn This is another of your more persistent lies. No-one said at any stage that there is no tunnel. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 4 Aug 2008 01:54
On Aug 3, 6:16 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 1, 11:57 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Aug 1, 8:29 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jul 31, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Why don't we just wait for him before judging them then? > > >>>>>>>> I happen to think that if anyone needs judging it is the liars and > > >>>>>>>> hypocrites. But you don't see me campaigning to remove their human > > >>>>>>>> rights. > > >>>>>>> Well, yes, I do. Like other atheists you campaign for abortion, > > >>>>>>> which removes the right to live of the people who are killed. > > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>> Please show me evidence that I've campaigned for abortion. Because > > >>>>>> that's a flat out lie. And is that your best effort at demonising > > >>>>>> atheists? > > >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>> Atheists have caused more abortions than any other group of people. > > >>>> So, you can't show evidence where atheists (like Al) have campaigned for > > >>>> abortion. You have lied. > > >>>> -- > > >>> Josef Stalin was an atheist like Al. While Josef Stalin was dictator > > >>> of the Soviet Union, the number of abortions in Russia increased to > > >>> about five per woman. > > >>> In the People's Republic of China, women who have had one child are > > >>> required by the state to abort any children conceived after the first > > >>> child is born. > > >> So, you have lied. > > > > No, I did not lie. > > > You said that Al campaigned for abortion. Are you going to provide > > evidence for this? > > Sure. Ask Al if he is in favor of right to life. > Robert B. Winn What does that have to do with whether I've campaigned for legal abortions? Al |