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From: Bart! on 20 May 2010 21:57 On Fri, 21 May 2010 01:00:14 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >On 20/05/2010 10:55 PM, Bart! wrote: >> On Thu, 20 May 2010 18:13:43 +1000, Sylvia Else >> <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >> >>> On 20/05/2010 5:14 PM, Bart! wrote: >>>> On Thu, 20 May 2010 07:33:42 +0100, "TTman"<someone.pc(a)ntlworld.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Bill Bowden"<wrongaddress(a)att.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:def5cd9e-7839-4505-b1c0-e14f7b2464ca(a)40g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> I have bought a few items on Ebay with good transactions, and was >>>>>> recently looking at a true sinewave inverter (12 volt DC to 120 VAC) >>>>>> 300 watt Continuous, 600 watt peak, and so I bid $60 maximum but was >>>>>> outbid by $7 and lost the auction. I then noticed the same item was >>>>>> for sale again in just a few hours (maybe 18) and so I bid again with >>>>>> a limit of $60 and again lost the auction with a final bid of $65. And >>>>>> so I bid again on the same item with same limit of $60 and was outbid >>>>>> again at $61.12. And then bid again for the 4th time on the same item, >>>>>> and again lost the auction for $61.00, just $1.00 more than my limit. >>>>>> >>>>>> The seller appears to have a good feedback record, but this auction >>>>>> looks like somebody is bidding against me just to drive the price up, >>>>>> and always wins the auction by bidding $1 more than my limit. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do understand the new 300 watt sinewave inverter is worth more than >>>>>> $60, probably in the $200 range, so maybe this is just standard >>>>>> practice to weed out the low bidders? >>>>>> >>>>>> But it still seems to be a violation of Ebay (shill) policies. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Bill >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sounds like maybe the seller is bidding ( with an alias) to avoid a low >>>>> value sale.... >>>>> >>>> >>>> But, he would still owe ebay their commission for EACH sale. So, he is >>>> a complete and utter retard for bidding on his own item, and IF ebay >>>> allows him to "remove" the sale internally after it has already been >>>> "sold" from an online observation perspective, they are breaking their >>>> own rules. >>>> >>>> I would report the fact that the item went up 4 times over, and that the >>>> bidding/sale result looks quite suspicious since the item is listed as >>>> the only one he has to sell. >>> >>> The seller doesn't have to list multiple items in one auction if he >>> doesn't want to. >> >> That is NOT what I said. >> >> They do not have to list them in multiple auctions either, dumbass. >> They can put them up one at a time, which is the appearance this idiot >> gives. The behavior, however, shows that he is re-selling the same item. > >Why does it? He sells one, he lists a new one. Perfectly normal. > >Sylvia. It is NOT "normal" if the "next" one he lists is actually the same item he claims to have just sold. Come back when you have a clue.
From: Bart! on 20 May 2010 21:59 On Fri, 21 May 2010 01:13:27 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >He might as well just wait until there are only a few seconds left, and >then bid the highest he's willing to pay. All that's achieved by making >multiple late bids is to give other bidders a reason to rethink (as in >increase) their highest bid. > >Sylvia. If the bidding is taking place in the last seconds of the auction the "other bidders" you mention do not get an opportunity to rethink anything. You obviously have zero experience with trying to win a bid on an item that actually has bidders competing for it.
From: Capt. Cave Man on 20 May 2010 22:35 On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:33:58 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be(a)seen.com> wrote: > >Correct. The bid increment is NOT set by the person offering the item for auction.
From: Sylvia Else on 21 May 2010 00:15 On 21/05/2010 11:59 AM, Bart! wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 01:13:27 +1000, Sylvia Else > <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: > >> He might as well just wait until there are only a few seconds left, and >> then bid the highest he's willing to pay. All that's achieved by making >> multiple late bids is to give other bidders a reason to rethink (as in >> increase) their highest bid. >> >> Sylvia. > > If the bidding is taking place in the last seconds of the auction the > "other bidders" you mention do not get an opportunity to rethink > anything. If you're going to confine you bids to the last seconds, then you only get to make one bid for practical purposes. By late bids, I meant within the last few minutes. > > You obviously have zero experience with trying to win a bid on an item > that actually has bidders competing for it. Well, you're mistaken about that. And it remains true that there's no point in making multiple bids. Sylvia.
From: Sylvia Else on 21 May 2010 00:20
On 21/05/2010 11:27 AM, Bill Bowden wrote: > On May 19, 11:33 pm, "TTman"<someone...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> "Bill Bowden"<wrongaddr...(a)att.net> wrote in message >> >> news:def5cd9e-7839-4505-b1c0-e14f7b2464ca(a)40g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >>> I have bought a few items on Ebay with good transactions, and was >>> recently looking at a true sinewave inverter (12 volt DC to 120 VAC) >>> 300 watt Continuous, 600 watt peak, and so I bid $60 maximum but was >>> outbid by $7 and lost the auction. I then noticed the same item was >>> for sale again in just a few hours (maybe 18) and so I bid again with >>> a limit of $60 and again lost the auction with a final bid of $65. And >>> so I bid again on the same item with same limit of $60 and was outbid >>> again at $61.12. And then bid again for the 4th time on the same item, >>> and again lost the auction for $61.00, just $1.00 more than my limit. >> >>> The seller appears to have a good feedback record, but this auction >>> looks like somebody is bidding against me just to drive the price up, >>> and always wins the auction by bidding $1 more than my limit. >> >>> I do understand the new 300 watt sinewave inverter is worth more than >>> $60, probably in the $200 range, so maybe this is just standard >>> practice to weed out the low bidders? >> >>> But it still seems to be a violation of Ebay (shill) policies. >> >>> -Bill >> >> Sounds like maybe the seller is bidding ( with an alias) to avoid a low >> value sale.... > > Yes, it looks like that. I see the same item listed 8 times with > various bids ranging from one cent to $32 and quite a few apparent > bidders . But there is one listing to "Buy it Now" at $125. I suspect > $125 is the going price and any lower bids are automatically outbid by > a shill of some sort. If the seller ends up winning the auction, then he has to pay the commission on it to Ebay without actually having sold anything. As strategy, it makes no sense. The seller can avoid that by retracting their winning shill bid. If your bid was outbid, and that other bid is retracted, and followed by another bid a bit below your maximum, then you have grounds for suspicion. Otherwise no. Sylvia. |