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From: Nico Coesel on 22 May 2010 06:08 Bart! <B(a)rt_The_Sheriff_Is_A_Nig***!.org> wrote: >On Fri, 21 May 2010 14:29:04 GMT, nico(a)puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote: > >>Show me a proof of that. I evaluate auctions every now and then to >>determine bid patterns on particular items. I've never ever seen an >>auction for which the highest bid didn't win. > > You cannot know, idiot, because you would never "see" ANY of the bids >that were culled out at the close of the auction. You can see a list with manual and auto biddings at the end of each auction. 'Culled out' sounds like 'bid to late' to me. So again: where is your proof? Just take Ebay item 380234235466 for example. You'll see the automatic bids and manual bids have the same timestamp. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico(a)nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------
From: Sylvia Else on 22 May 2010 06:14 On 22/05/2010 7:25 PM, Bart! wrote: > On Sat, 22 May 2010 14:34:40 +1000, Sylvia Else > <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: > >> On 22/05/2010 2:19 PM, Bart! wrote: >>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 13:15:07 +1000, Sylvia Else >>> <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >>> >>>> They would certainly complain about that. >>> >>> >>> They would not know. >>> >>> One must "get their bid in IN TIME." >> >> Is a week earlier "in time"? >> >> Sylvia. > > > In the time between my last bid and the chronological close of the > auction, ditz. > > That is your problem. You are a chronological dumbshit. Why do they have to get their bid in between your bid and the close of the auction if they've entered a higher maximum bid ealier? Sylvia.
From: Bart! on 22 May 2010 12:04 On Sat, 22 May 2010 20:14:55 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >On 22/05/2010 7:25 PM, Bart! wrote: >> On Sat, 22 May 2010 14:34:40 +1000, Sylvia Else >> <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >> >>> On 22/05/2010 2:19 PM, Bart! wrote: >>>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 13:15:07 +1000, Sylvia Else >>>> <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >>>> >>>>> They would certainly complain about that. >>>> >>>> >>>> They would not know. >>>> >>>> One must "get their bid in IN TIME." >>> >>> Is a week earlier "in time"? >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> >> In the time between my last bid and the chronological close of the >> auction, ditz. >> >> That is your problem. You are a chronological dumbshit. > >Why do they have to get their bid in between your bid and the close of >the auction if they've entered a higher maximum bid ealier? > >Sylvia. Bids are ALSO chronologically entered. That is regardless of any auto-bid engine. When the auction closes, any and ALL bidding stops, including any auto-bids that did not make it in by the auction close, and each bid is incremented individually, regardless of when you actually placed the bid. If your (MY) bid goes in at the last second, the computer does not get to make any further entries, including any auro-bids that were set up. Get a clue.
From: John Devereux on 22 May 2010 12:29 Bart! <B(a)rt_The_Sheriff_Is_A_Nig***!.org> writes: > On Sat, 22 May 2010 20:14:55 +1000, Sylvia Else > <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: > >>On 22/05/2010 7:25 PM, Bart! wrote: >>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 14:34:40 +1000, Sylvia Else >>> <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >>> >>>> On 22/05/2010 2:19 PM, Bart! wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 13:15:07 +1000, Sylvia Else >>>>> <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> They would certainly complain about that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They would not know. >>>>> >>>>> One must "get their bid in IN TIME." >>>> >>>> Is a week earlier "in time"? >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> >>> In the time between my last bid and the chronological close of the >>> auction, ditz. >>> >>> That is your problem. You are a chronological dumbshit. >> >>Why do they have to get their bid in between your bid and the close of >>the auction if they've entered a higher maximum bid ealier? >> >>Sylvia. > > Bids are ALSO chronologically entered. That is regardless of any > auto-bid engine. When the auction closes, any and ALL bidding stops, > including any auto-bids that did not make it in by the auction close, and > each bid is incremented individually, regardless of when you actually > placed the bid. If your (MY) bid goes in at the last second, the computer > does not get to make any further entries, including any auro-bids that > were set up. And this last point is where you are totally wrong, and your whole argument falls apart. If that last sentence were true, I could bid $1000 at the start of the auction. If I were the only bidder, the price would stay at $1, say. Then you come along at the last second and bid $2, and win? You think you have cleverly discovered a secret flaw in the system that nobody else knows? The optimum strategy for bidding on ebay is very simple and well known: 1) Decide the maximum you want to pay 2) Bid this amount in the last few seconds. Close enought to the auction end so that a human does not have time to react to the bid, and be tempted to drive the price higher. This is what a large minority of people do, if things did work as you think then there would be many, many cases like my example. It simply does not happen. You are totally wasting your time with all your multiple "bid windows". You could have just simply put in the highest of your bids at the last second. Or used a program to do this for you. > Get a clue. -- John Devereux
From: krw on 22 May 2010 12:44
On Sat, 22 May 2010 17:29:58 +0100, John Devereux <john(a)devereux.me.uk> wrote: >Bart! <B(a)rt_The_Sheriff_Is_A_Nig***!.org> writes: > >> On Sat, 22 May 2010 20:14:55 +1000, Sylvia Else >> <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >> >>>On 22/05/2010 7:25 PM, Bart! wrote: >>>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 14:34:40 +1000, Sylvia Else >>>> <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 22/05/2010 2:19 PM, Bart! wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 13:15:07 +1000, Sylvia Else >>>>>> <sylvia(a)not.at.this.address> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> They would certainly complain about that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They would not know. >>>>>> >>>>>> One must "get their bid in IN TIME." >>>>> >>>>> Is a week earlier "in time"? >>>>> >>>>> Sylvia. >>>> >>>> >>>> In the time between my last bid and the chronological close of the >>>> auction, ditz. >>>> >>>> That is your problem. You are a chronological dumbshit. >>> >>>Why do they have to get their bid in between your bid and the close of >>>the auction if they've entered a higher maximum bid ealier? >>> >>>Sylvia. >> >> Bids are ALSO chronologically entered. That is regardless of any >> auto-bid engine. When the auction closes, any and ALL bidding stops, >> including any auto-bids that did not make it in by the auction close, and >> each bid is incremented individually, regardless of when you actually >> placed the bid. If your (MY) bid goes in at the last second, the computer >> does not get to make any further entries, including any auro-bids that >> were set up. > >And this last point is where you are totally wrong, and your whole >argument falls apart. If that last sentence were true, I could bid $1000 >at the start of the auction. If I were the only bidder, the price would >stay at $1, say. Then you come along at the last second and bid $2, and >win? You think you have cleverly discovered a secret flaw in the system >that nobody else knows? > >The optimum strategy for bidding on ebay is very simple and well known: > >1) Decide the maximum you want to pay True for all auctions. >2) Bid this amount in the last few seconds. Close enought to the auction >end so that a human does not have time to react to the bid, and be >tempted to drive the price higher. Correct, though don't expect AlwaysWrong to understand. You see, he's *always* wrong. >This is what a large minority of people do, if things did work as you >think then there would be many, many cases like my example. It simply >does not happen. > >You are totally wasting your time with all your multiple "bid >windows". You could have just simply put in the highest of your bids at >the last second. Or used a program to do this for you. Yep, but do understand who you're talking to; one of Nymbecile's many sock puppets, all wrong, always. |