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From: Jochem Huhmann on 22 Jan 2010 09:01 James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> writes: > Look, i'm not sure what to do at all, his attacks have shocked me. Not only you, be assured. Don't take it personally and ignore him, he's just attacking everyone. Jochem -- "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
From: Jim on 22 Jan 2010 09:06 On 2010-01-22, James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: >> >> I can only speak for myself, but I've always found your viewpoints on Mac >> accessibility to be informative. It would sadden me if you stopped posting >> those viewpoints. > > Thanks, much appreciated. I hope all this will calm down. > It will. It always does, eventually. Jim -- http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Get over here. Now. Might be advisable to wear brown trousers and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It"
From: James Jolley on 22 Jan 2010 09:06 On 2010-01-22 14:01:39 +0000, Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net> said: > James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> writes: > >> Look, i'm not sure what to do at all, his attacks have shocked me. > > Not only you, be assured. Don't take it personally and ignore him, he's > just attacking everyone. > > > Jochem That's fair enough. I think my issue is that i'm very sensative to things generally. I'm so close to this accessibility business that I take criticism to be a personal insult. The sad thing is that the guy was initially interested and dialogue was fine until something snapped. I admit to dishing it back, but sometimes you just plainly can't help it. Thanks for the reply and it's appreciated. Best -JAmes-
From: Chris Ridd on 22 Jan 2010 09:07 On 2010-01-22 13:54:02 +0000, James Jolley said: > Hi, > > I'm sending this because of the spat in the other thread regarding > macsoup's accessibility. Yes, "he" derailed the thread again, but more > importantly i'm actually frightened to use the words blind, visually > impaired, etc, in case I am excluding other disability groups. In > short, i've got no confidence to post. He has wone, I really can't be > arsed. The attacks he has posted on me are completely unfair and i'm > genuinely worried about posting here again with regards to anything > disability related. Keep him in your killfile and keep posting. -- Chris
From: Woody on 22 Jan 2010 09:20
On 22/01/2010 13:54, James Jolley wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sending this because of the spat in the other thread regarding > macsoup's accessibility. Yes, "he" derailed the thread again, but more > importantly i'm actually frightened to use the words blind, visually > impaired, etc, in case I am excluding other disability groups. Don't worry, that sounded as daft to me as it did to you > In short, > i've got no confidence to post. He has wone, I really can't be arsed. Don't let it get to you like that. Just treat him like the nutter in the corner. He might swear and rock around a lot but he isn't going to do any real damage > The attacks he has posted on me are completely unfair and i'm genuinely > worried about posting here again with regards to anything disability > related. I found some of your posts really useful. As a software engineer working with user interfaces (and recently having done UIs as part of my degree), I am very interested in usability and accessibility issues as although they are covered, they are not covered in depth and it is another thing to consider. I have probably not considered it as much as I should have, as most of my software is 'blind excluded' in that it is to assist you to do things that you wouldn't be able to do if you were blind, but I also write little games for fun, and probably some phone software too some point and that can benefit. > As I've already said in that thread, i'm not in this for my own ends. > I've always maintained a good outlook as regards disability awareness. > I've promoted OS X to various groups of people. > > Look, i'm not sure what to do at all, his attacks have shocked me. To be honest, the best advice he gave you himself, to kill-file him (hopefully your killfile is better than his as his seems to not work well). You cannot reason with him, even when you really think you could, it doesn't work. Trust me to really know how it is, hence new years resolution of not getting into threads with him when he is off on one (ie, normally). Recently you have been posting threads throwing abuse at him too though, and that is no more useful than him when he is throwing abuse at you. It makes it hard to find anything in the group. Sometimes you really just have to ignore it. -- Woody |