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From: Graeme on 22 Jan 2010 09:58 In message <7rtovqFgdiU1(a)mid.individual.net> James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sending this because of the spat in the other thread regarding > macsoup's accessibility. Yes, "he" derailed the thread again, but more > importantly i'm actually frightened to use the words blind, visually > impaired, etc, in case I am excluding other disability groups. In > short, i've got no confidence to post. He has wone, I really can't be > arsed. The attacks he has posted on me are completely unfair and i'm > genuinely worried about posting here again with regards to anything > disability related. > > As I've already said in that thread, i'm not in this for my own ends. > I've always maintained a good outlook as regards disability awareness. > I've promoted OS X to various groups of people. > > Look, i'm not sure what to do at all, his attacks have shocked me. > Kill-file the silly sod and get on with your life. -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/>
From: James Jolley on 22 Jan 2010 10:00 On 2010-01-22 14:57:26 +0000, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> said: > On 2010-01-22, James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: >> >> I'm really quite amazed at the efforts Apple included to make they're >> frameworks usable for other developers, hense the macsoup discussion. I >> didn't realise that program was as old as it is, and I at least >> understand that it's usability won't improve. > > MacSOUP is, in some ways, a *very* frustrating programme. It's far and away > the best newsreader I've ever used, on any platform, but it's really showing > its age in many areas. > > I wish Stefan could find the time and inclination to re-write it in Cocoa. > I'd certainly be willing to re-purchase it. The Gods alone know I've got my > money's worth out of it. I'd also buy it if it's usable, no question about that.
From: Rowland McDonnell on 22 Jan 2010 10:04 Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > > To remind everyone: all this came about because I wanted James to write > > `accessibility for the blind' instead of `accessibility' so as not to > > exclude those with other disabilities. > > I'd actually be surprised if most people here didn't already know that > that's exactly what he means - I see no reason that he should have to spell > it out in full each and every time. [snip] Yes Jim, and that is the point: That sort of cliquiness, which you enjoy, is part of the whole social exclusion thing that keeps people out - in general. I'm working against that sort of cliquiness - of course we all know what James J is on about when he talks about `accessibility' issues, but that is entirely not the point at all. There was a specific issue that I addressed because of James's behaviour. James has responded by alleging that he's scared to write about blind people for fear of being attacked by me for leaving out other groups. His alleged fear is of course utterly fictional. As James knows, what I want him to do is specify he's talking about specifically `blind' issues when he talks about `accessibility'. So his allegation against me is proven quite deliberately malicious and based on a lie about me from James. I've made the point several times prior to this post. It's a shame you've chosen to: disregard it then attack me personally over some sort of bullshit about me that you've decided to invent. My position with respect to James's posts is very sensible and civilised and not remotely as it's being characterised by the hypocritical attack gang I'm under fire from at the moment. But I'm used to that - being shat upon by a gang which has decided to have a hate-session directed at me and which totally ignores the reality of my behaviour, much preferring the hypocritical libels that result from the hate-session group-think. I think you're all despicable - and that means you too, Jim. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: James Dore on 22 Jan 2010 10:13 On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:57:26 -0000, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > On 2010-01-22, James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote: >> >> I'm really quite amazed at the efforts Apple included to make they're >> frameworks usable for other developers, hense the macsoup discussion. I >> didn't realise that program was as old as it is, and I at least >> understand that it's usability won't improve. > > MacSOUP is, in some ways, a *very* frustrating programme. It's far and > away > the best newsreader I've ever used, on any platform, but it's really > showing > its age in many areas. I stopped using it. Opera's nntp client suffices for me now, and the only thing really missing is a reasonable killfile (you can 'Ignore Contact' which seems to work for most of the obvious trolls), and the others are easy to ignore. I don't suppose adding features for usenet reading is high up Opera's priority list though. Cheers, -- James Dore New College IT Officer james.dore(a)new / it-support(a)new
From: Woody on 22 Jan 2010 10:16
On 22/01/2010 15:04, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > Jim<jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > As James knows, what I want him to do is specify he's talking about > specifically `blind' issues when he talks about `accessibility'. > > So his allegation against me is proven quite deliberately malicious and > based on a lie about me from James. Could it not be a mistake on his part. Or is it always a lie like when you lied about the lack of fn key on your keyboard, or you lied about killfiling james? No, people make mistakes, all the time. If you want people to accept that you make mistakes, then you have to accept other people do too. But no, it is like abuse. You only feel it is wrong when someone else does it. -- Woody |