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From: John Larkin on 6 Feb 2010 17:41 On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:58:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >No damn way! > >It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are >forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >spells on record with another cold front headed this way. It's all about money: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7176262/Climate-makes-money-move-in-mysterious-ways.html John
From: Michael A. Terrell on 6 Feb 2010 18:08 John Larkin wrote: > > On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:58:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > >No damn way! > > > >It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are > >forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold > >spells on record with another cold front headed this way. > > It's all about money: > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7176262/Climate-makes-money-move-in-mysterious-ways.html > > John There's one born every minute: A gullible fool who believes whatever the media tells them. They never catch on to a scam, till it's way too late. Then they scream about being hoodwinked. What really gets me are the supposedly intelligent people on the science newsgroups, who fell for AGW. :( One of the local 'TV meteorologists' keeps harping about AGW every time we have a cooler than normal day, in a very lame attempt to claim they prove AGW. -- Greed is the root of all eBay.
From: Bob Monsen on 6 Feb 2010 19:27 "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:4B6DF67D.DAD67DB2(a)earthlink.net... > > John Larkin wrote: >> >> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:58:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >No damn way! >> > >> >It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are >> >forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >> >spells on record with another cold front headed this way. >> >> It's all about money: >> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7176262/Climate-makes-money-move-in-mysterious-ways.html >> >> John > > > > > There's one born every minute: A gullible fool who believes whatever > the media tells them. They never catch on to a scam, till it's way too > late. Then they scream about being hoodwinked. What really gets me are > the supposedly intelligent people on the science newsgroups, who fell > for AGW. :( > Ah, it is good that iconoclasts like you are around to help us poor saps out! So, what is your evidence that global warming doesn't exist? Do you done any research to back this up? If you have evidence, it would be great to pass it along to the rest of the world so they don't start interpreting those melting glaciers and polar caps as the start of a worldwide catastrophe. Thanks in advance! Regards, Bob Monsen PS: http://www.newsweek.com/id/32482
From: Raveninghorde on 7 Feb 2010 07:25 On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:27:56 -0800, "Bob Monsen" <rcmonsen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >news:4B6DF67D.DAD67DB2(a)earthlink.net... >> >> John Larkin wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:58:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >>> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >No damn way! >>> > >>> >It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They are >>> >forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >>> >spells on record with another cold front headed this way. >>> >>> It's all about money: >>> >>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7176262/Climate-makes-money-move-in-mysterious-ways.html >>> >>> John >> >> >> >> >> There's one born every minute: A gullible fool who believes whatever >> the media tells them. They never catch on to a scam, till it's way too >> late. Then they scream about being hoodwinked. What really gets me are >> the supposedly intelligent people on the science newsgroups, who fell >> for AGW. :( >> > >Ah, it is good that iconoclasts like you are around to help us poor saps >out! > >So, what is your evidence that global warming doesn't exist? Do you done any >research to back this up? If you have evidence, it would be great to pass it >along to the rest of the world so they don't start interpreting those >melting glaciers and polar caps as the start of a worldwide catastrophe. > >Thanks in advance! > >Regards, > Bob Monsen > >PS: http://www.newsweek.com/id/32482 > The IPCC has been caught telling lies about so much that it is difficult to know where to start. And so many of their vaunted "peer reviewed" reports have been unreviewed WWF and Greenpeace polemic that little the IPCC say can be trusted. They have lied about glacier melt. They have lied about hurricanes. And today's revealtion is they have lied about Africa http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7017907.ece /quote he most important is a claim that global warming could cut rain-fed north African crop production by up to 50% by 2020, a remarkably short time for such a dramatic change. The claim has been quoted in speeches by Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, and by Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general. This weekend Professor Chris Field, the new lead author of the IPCC�s climate impacts team, told The Sunday Times that he could find nothing in the report to support the claim. The revelation follows the IPCC�s retraction of a claim that the Himalayan glaciers might all melt by 2035. The African claims could be even more embarrassing for the IPCC because they appear not only in its report on climate change impacts but, unlike the glaciers claim, are also repeated in its Synthesis Report. /end quote Not to mention that the chairman of the IPCC is as bent as a nine bob note. And a lot of the media are no better: For example BBC biias explained. http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/156703 /quote The �8billion pension fund is likely to come under close scrutiny over its commitment to promote a low-carbon economy while struggling to reverse an estimated �2billion deficit. /end quote
From: Bob Monsen on 7 Feb 2010 23:09
"Raveninghorde" <raveninghorde(a)invalid> wrote in message news:ukbtm59c0arjnffm5221g9nuq0itnq8bmd(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:27:56 -0800, "Bob Monsen" <rcmonsen(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >>"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>news:4B6DF67D.DAD67DB2(a)earthlink.net... >>> >>> John Larkin wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:58:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >>>> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >No damn way! >>>> > >>>> >It's 21 degrees in Ocala right now and expected to get colder. They >>>> >are >>>> >forecasting some snow, and this may become one of the longest cold >>>> >spells on record with another cold front headed this way. >>>> >>>> It's all about money: >>>> >>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7176262/Climate-makes-money-move-in-mysterious-ways.html >>>> >>>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> There's one born every minute: A gullible fool who believes whatever >>> the media tells them. They never catch on to a scam, till it's way too >>> late. Then they scream about being hoodwinked. What really gets me are >>> the supposedly intelligent people on the science newsgroups, who fell >>> for AGW. :( >>> >> >>Ah, it is good that iconoclasts like you are around to help us poor saps >>out! >> >>So, what is your evidence that global warming doesn't exist? Do you done >>any >>research to back this up? If you have evidence, it would be great to pass >>it >>along to the rest of the world so they don't start interpreting those >>melting glaciers and polar caps as the start of a worldwide catastrophe. >> >>Thanks in advance! >> >>Regards, >> Bob Monsen >> >>PS: http://www.newsweek.com/id/32482 >> > > The IPCC has been caught telling lies about so much that it is > difficult to know where to start. > > And so many of their vaunted "peer reviewed" reports have been > unreviewed WWF and Greenpeace polemic that little the IPCC say can be > trusted. > > They have lied about glacier melt. > > They have lied about hurricanes. > > And today's revealtion is they have lied about Africa > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7017907.ece > > /quote > > he most important is a claim that global warming could cut rain-fed > north African crop production by up to 50% by 2020, a remarkably short > time for such a dramatic change. The claim has been quoted in speeches > by Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, and by Ban Ki-moon, the UN > secretary-general. > > This weekend Professor Chris Field, the new lead author of the IPCC's > climate impacts team, told The Sunday Times that he could find nothing > in the report to support the claim. The revelation follows the IPCC's > retraction of a claim that the Himalayan glaciers might all melt by > 2035. > > The African claims could be even more embarrassing for the IPCC > because they appear not only in its report on climate change impacts > but, unlike the glaciers claim, are also repeated in its Synthesis > Report. > > /end quote > > Not to mention that the chairman of the IPCC is as bent as a nine bob > note. And a lot of the media are no better: > > For example BBC biias explained. > > http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/156703 > > /quote > > The �8billion pension fund is likely to come under close scrutiny over > its commitment to promote a low-carbon economy while struggling to > reverse an estimated �2billion deficit. > > /end quote None of this is evidence against global warming. It is an attack on a particular study. The attack may be valid, but it doesn't imply anything about any of the hundreds of other studies that have been published to date. Having just read 'Peddling Prosperity' by Krugman, I'm currently sensitized to the problem of policy being driven by idiots (supply siders on the right and 'strategic traders' on the left). However, I don't think that is happening here. There appears to be a broad consensus amongst climate scientists. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_consensus, which mentions that 97% of a set of polled, publishing scientists in the field believe that it is occurring, and that it is being caused by human activity. Could they all really be wrong? I know the history of science is full of situations where most scientists believed something that was shown to be false (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether). However, unless you are willing to just chuck science and base policy on faith, you need to at least give them the benefit of the doubt, or come up with an alternate theory that fits the facts as well. So, if you have any real evidence against global warming, or an alternate theory that fits the evidence, please post it. Regards, Bob Monsen |