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From: mpc755 on 11 Jul 2010 12:33 On Jul 11, 12:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 8:21 am, Surfer <n...(a)spam.net> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" > > > <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >.... > > > An alternative to the idea of curved space-time, is that matter chews > > up space, thus causing space to accelerate into matter. > > > The downward acceleration of space past us into the earth, then causes > > us to feel the "force" of gravity, in the same way as how we feel > > pushed backward, when an accelerating vehicle causes us to accelerate > > relative to space. > > > This model also explains the gravitational slowing of clocks, without > > the need to use GR. > > >http://home.epix.net/~hhlindner/Writings/Space/Physics.html > > > <Start extract> > > > If inertial space flows into the Earth as a fluid into a sink, then it > > must have not only an acceleration at any given radial distance, r, > > but also a determinate velocity. Its velocity at the Earth's surface > > ought to be the sum of its total acceleration from rest at infinite > > distance to the Earth's surface. This velocity should be identical to > > Newton's escape velocity--the initial velocity that allows any object > > on the surface of a large mass to escape that mass's gravitational > > field. Thus at the Earth's surface, space should be moving radially > > Earthward at sqrt(2 G M/r) , or 112km/s. > > > <snip> > > > If, as the evidence suggests, it is velocity in physical space, not > > merely relative velocity, that red shifts atomic spectra and slows > > atomic clocks, then an atomic clock held stationary at any given > > height in a gravitational field should slow just as if it were moving > > at the escape velocity for that height. This is indeed the case. The > > accepted formula for the gravitational slowing of atomic clocks is: > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - 2 G M /rc^2) > > > Since v^2 = 2 G M/r in our model of gravitational space flow, the > > gravitational red shift formula is identical to that for the > > transverse Doppler shift: > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) > > > Thus the expected velocity of space at a given height in a > > gravitational field correctly predicts the slowing of atomic clocks at > > that height. We have thus derived the formula for the gravitational > > red shift from a simple physical hypothesis and produced a physical > > link between the mechanical effects of gravity and its effects on > > atomic spectra. > > > <End extract> > > Dark matter displaced by matter is more correct. > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > Matter displaces dark matter. > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > You are mistaking the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter as a > 'flow'. > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. Evidence of dark matter displacement: 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes back out." "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between two boats. The two boats colliding creates a ripple in the water. The ripple occurs because the boats displace water. The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.
From: bert on 11 Jul 2010 15:16 On Jul 11, 12:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 12:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:21 am, Surfer <n...(a)spam.net> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" > > > > <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >.... > > > > An alternative to the idea of curved space-time, is that matter chews > > > up space, thus causing space to accelerate into matter. > > > > The downward acceleration of space past us into the earth, then causes > > > us to feel the "force" of gravity, in the same way as how we feel > > > pushed backward, when an accelerating vehicle causes us to accelerate > > > relative to space. > > > > This model also explains the gravitational slowing of clocks, without > > > the need to use GR. > > > >http://home.epix.net/~hhlindner/Writings/Space/Physics.html > > > > <Start extract> > > > > If inertial space flows into the Earth as a fluid into a sink, then it > > > must have not only an acceleration at any given radial distance, r, > > > but also a determinate velocity. Its velocity at the Earth's surface > > > ought to be the sum of its total acceleration from rest at infinite > > > distance to the Earth's surface. This velocity should be identical to > > > Newton's escape velocity--the initial velocity that allows any object > > > on the surface of a large mass to escape that mass's gravitational > > > field. Thus at the Earth's surface, space should be moving radially > > > Earthward at sqrt(2 G M/r) , or 112km/s. > > > > <snip> > > > > If, as the evidence suggests, it is velocity in physical space, not > > > merely relative velocity, that red shifts atomic spectra and slows > > > atomic clocks, then an atomic clock held stationary at any given > > > height in a gravitational field should slow just as if it were moving > > > at the escape velocity for that height. This is indeed the case. The > > > accepted formula for the gravitational slowing of atomic clocks is: > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - 2 G M /rc^2) > > > > Since v^2 = 2 G M/r in our model of gravitational space flow, the > > > gravitational red shift formula is identical to that for the > > > transverse Doppler shift: > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) > > > > Thus the expected velocity of space at a given height in a > > > gravitational field correctly predicts the slowing of atomic clocks at > > > that height. We have thus derived the formula for the gravitational > > > red shift from a simple physical hypothesis and produced a physical > > > link between the mechanical effects of gravity and its effects on > > > atomic spectra. > > > > <End extract> > > > Dark matter displaced by matter is more correct. > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > > You are mistaking the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter as a > > 'flow'. > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > back out." > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > water." > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > two boats. The two boats colliding creates a ripple in the water. The > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Gravity is a concave curve in space(einstein) Space energy makes a convex curve (Glazier) TreBert
From: mpc755 on 12 Jul 2010 00:34 On Jul 11, 3:16 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 12:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 12:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 11, 8:21 am, Surfer <n...(a)spam.net> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" > > > > > <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >.... > > > > > An alternative to the idea of curved space-time, is that matter chews > > > > up space, thus causing space to accelerate into matter. > > > > > The downward acceleration of space past us into the earth, then causes > > > > us to feel the "force" of gravity, in the same way as how we feel > > > > pushed backward, when an accelerating vehicle causes us to accelerate > > > > relative to space. > > > > > This model also explains the gravitational slowing of clocks, without > > > > the need to use GR. > > > > >http://home.epix.net/~hhlindner/Writings/Space/Physics.html > > > > > <Start extract> > > > > > If inertial space flows into the Earth as a fluid into a sink, then it > > > > must have not only an acceleration at any given radial distance, r, > > > > but also a determinate velocity. Its velocity at the Earth's surface > > > > ought to be the sum of its total acceleration from rest at infinite > > > > distance to the Earth's surface. This velocity should be identical to > > > > Newton's escape velocity--the initial velocity that allows any object > > > > on the surface of a large mass to escape that mass's gravitational > > > > field. Thus at the Earth's surface, space should be moving radially > > > > Earthward at sqrt(2 G M/r) , or 112km/s. > > > > > <snip> > > > > > If, as the evidence suggests, it is velocity in physical space, not > > > > merely relative velocity, that red shifts atomic spectra and slows > > > > atomic clocks, then an atomic clock held stationary at any given > > > > height in a gravitational field should slow just as if it were moving > > > > at the escape velocity for that height. This is indeed the case. The > > > > accepted formula for the gravitational slowing of atomic clocks is: > > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - 2 G M /rc^2) > > > > > Since v^2 = 2 G M/r in our model of gravitational space flow, the > > > > gravitational red shift formula is identical to that for the > > > > transverse Doppler shift: > > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) > > > > > Thus the expected velocity of space at a given height in a > > > > gravitational field correctly predicts the slowing of atomic clocks at > > > > that height. We have thus derived the formula for the gravitational > > > > red shift from a simple physical hypothesis and produced a physical > > > > link between the mechanical effects of gravity and its effects on > > > > atomic spectra. > > > > > <End extract> > > > > Dark matter displaced by matter is more correct. > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > > > You are mistaking the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter as a > > > 'flow'. > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > back out." > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > water." > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > two boats. The two boats colliding creates a ripple in the water. The > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Gravity is a concave curve in space(einstein) Space energy makes a > convex curve (Glazier) TreBert Evidence of dark matter displacement: 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes back out." "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The ripple occurs because the boats displace water. The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.
From: Y.Porat on 12 Jul 2010 01:54 On Jul 12, 6:34 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 3:16 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 12:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 11, 12:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:21 am, Surfer <n...(a)spam.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" > > > > > > <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >.... > > > > > > An alternative to the idea of curved space-time, is that matter chews > > > > > up space, thus causing space to accelerate into matter. > > > > > > The downward acceleration of space past us into the earth, then causes > > > > > us to feel the "force" of gravity, in the same way as how we feel > > > > > pushed backward, when an accelerating vehicle causes us to accelerate > > > > > relative to space. > > > > > > This model also explains the gravitational slowing of clocks, without > > > > > the need to use GR. > > > > > >http://home.epix.net/~hhlindner/Writings/Space/Physics.html > > > > > > <Start extract> > > > > > > If inertial space flows into the Earth as a fluid into a sink, then it > > > > > must have not only an acceleration at any given radial distance, r, > > > > > but also a determinate velocity. Its velocity at the Earth's surface > > > > > ought to be the sum of its total acceleration from rest at infinite > > > > > distance to the Earth's surface. This velocity should be identical to > > > > > Newton's escape velocity--the initial velocity that allows any object > > > > > on the surface of a large mass to escape that mass's gravitational > > > > > field. Thus at the Earth's surface, space should be moving radially > > > > > Earthward at sqrt(2 G M/r) , or 112km/s. > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > If, as the evidence suggests, it is velocity in physical space, not > > > > > merely relative velocity, that red shifts atomic spectra and slows > > > > > atomic clocks, then an atomic clock held stationary at any given > > > > > height in a gravitational field should slow just as if it were moving > > > > > at the escape velocity for that height. This is indeed the case. The > > > > > accepted formula for the gravitational slowing of atomic clocks is: > > > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - 2 G M /rc^2) > > > > > > Since v^2 = 2 G M/r in our model of gravitational space flow, the > > > > > gravitational red shift formula is identical to that for the > > > > > transverse Doppler shift: > > > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) > > > > > > Thus the expected velocity of space at a given height in a > > > > > gravitational field correctly predicts the slowing of atomic clocks at > > > > > that height. We have thus derived the formula for the gravitational > > > > > red shift from a simple physical hypothesis and produced a physical > > > > > link between the mechanical effects of gravity and its effects on > > > > > atomic spectra. > > > > > > <End extract> > > > > > Dark matter displaced by matter is more correct. > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.. > > > > > You are mistaking the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter as a > > > > 'flow'. > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > back out." > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > water." > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > two boats. The two boats colliding creates a ripple in the water. The > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Gravity is a concave curve in space(einstein) Space energy makes a > > convex curve (Glazier) TreBert > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > back out." > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > water." > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter. ------------------ so very nice!! a ring fits the 'Circlon' idea !!! ie basic particles that MOVES NATURALLY IN A CLOSED CIRCLE!! btw i forgot to mention that the Circlon can move in any size radius !! even the same Circlon !!:: if colliding with another one not head to head of path but had to side of original path --- both of them collides change their radius of movement :: one of them to a bigger radius the other one oppositely to ...... a smaler radius than it has before collision !! (conservation of momentum !!! even here ) 2 and now Mr MPC you have to explain why is it that after that gigantic collision of galaxies no one of them keeps on moving away **non stop** to get lost at the endless universe !!! TIA Y.Porat ---------------------------
From: mpc755 on 12 Jul 2010 08:33
On Jul 12, 1:54 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 6:34 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 3:16 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 11, 12:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 12:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:21 am, Surfer <n...(a)spam.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" > > > > > > > <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >.... > > > > > > > An alternative to the idea of curved space-time, is that matter chews > > > > > > up space, thus causing space to accelerate into matter. > > > > > > > The downward acceleration of space past us into the earth, then causes > > > > > > us to feel the "force" of gravity, in the same way as how we feel > > > > > > pushed backward, when an accelerating vehicle causes us to accelerate > > > > > > relative to space. > > > > > > > This model also explains the gravitational slowing of clocks, without > > > > > > the need to use GR. > > > > > > >http://home.epix.net/~hhlindner/Writings/Space/Physics.html > > > > > > > <Start extract> > > > > > > > If inertial space flows into the Earth as a fluid into a sink, then it > > > > > > must have not only an acceleration at any given radial distance, r, > > > > > > but also a determinate velocity. Its velocity at the Earth's surface > > > > > > ought to be the sum of its total acceleration from rest at infinite > > > > > > distance to the Earth's surface. This velocity should be identical to > > > > > > Newton's escape velocity--the initial velocity that allows any object > > > > > > on the surface of a large mass to escape that mass's gravitational > > > > > > field. Thus at the Earth's surface, space should be moving radially > > > > > > Earthward at sqrt(2 G M/r) , or 112km/s. > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > If, as the evidence suggests, it is velocity in physical space, not > > > > > > merely relative velocity, that red shifts atomic spectra and slows > > > > > > atomic clocks, then an atomic clock held stationary at any given > > > > > > height in a gravitational field should slow just as if it were moving > > > > > > at the escape velocity for that height. This is indeed the case.. The > > > > > > accepted formula for the gravitational slowing of atomic clocks is: > > > > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - 2 G M /rc^2) > > > > > > > Since v^2 = 2 G M/r in our model of gravitational space flow, the > > > > > > gravitational red shift formula is identical to that for the > > > > > > transverse Doppler shift: > > > > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) > > > > > > > Thus the expected velocity of space at a given height in a > > > > > > gravitational field correctly predicts the slowing of atomic clocks at > > > > > > that height. We have thus derived the formula for the gravitational > > > > > > red shift from a simple physical hypothesis and produced a physical > > > > > > link between the mechanical effects of gravity and its effects on > > > > > > atomic spectra. > > > > > > > <End extract> > > > > > > Dark matter displaced by matter is more correct. > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > > > > > You are mistaking the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter as a > > > > > 'flow'. > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > > > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > > > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > > > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > > > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > > > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > > > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > > > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > > > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > > > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > > > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > > > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > > > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > > > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > > > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > > > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > > > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > > back out." > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > water." > > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > > two boats. The two boats colliding creates a ripple in the water. The > > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Gravity is a concave curve in space(einstein) Space energy makes a > > > convex curve (Glazier) TreBert > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > back out." > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > water." > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter. > > ------------------ > so very nice!! > a ring fits the 'Circlon' idea !!! > ie > basic particles that > MOVES NATURALLY IN A CLOSED CIRCLE!! > The Moon's 'naturally' orbits the Earth because of the pressure exerted towards the Earth by the dark matter displaced by the Earth. The Earth 'naturally' orbits the Sun because of the pressure exerted towards the Sun by the dark matter displaced by the Sun. The Moon and Earth circle each other because of the dark matter displaced by both. The Earth and Sun circle each other because of the dark matter displaced by both. > btw > i forgot to mention that the Circlon > can move in any size radius !! > even the same Circlon !!:: > > if colliding with another one > not head to head of path > but had to side of original path --- > > both of them collides > change their radius of movement :: > one of them to a bigger radius > the other one > oppositely to ...... > a smaler radius than it has before collision !! > (conservation of momentum !!! even here ) > 2 > and now Mr MPC > you have to explain why is it that after > that gigantic collision of galaxies > no one of them keeps on moving away > **non stop** to get lost at the endless universe !!! > The collision causes the dark matter to ripple but just like throwing a stone into a pond the dark matter 'displaces back'. Just like throwing a stone into a pond does not leave a void in the pond, the collision of galaxy clusters does not leave a void in space. Even though the ripple of water propagates outward from where the stone entered the water, the water applies pressure towards the stone. For the galaxy clusters, this pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the clusters is gravity. |