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From: PD on 12 Jul 2010 18:07 On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 3:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 4:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > > And exactly what is the physical interaction between matter and energy > > > > > and spacetime which causes gravity to exist? > > > > > That is easily described by any book on general relativity. Would you > > > > like some recommended reading? > > > > > PD > > > > You can't explain anything can you? > > > Sure, I can, but why would I disgorge the contents of a book into an > > ascii newsgroup, when it is so much more efficient, productive, and > > appropriate if you ACTUALLY READ something? > > > Mike Cavedon, for a software engineer, you're awfully freakin' lazy. > > > I asked you a question: Would you like some recommended reading? > > > PD > > Explain the following: > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. It's certainly evidence of dark matter in the shape of a ring. It's not evidence for any displacement at all, unless you have a quantitative model for how that works that matches this observation. One could just as easily say that it is evidence that dark matter exhbits concentrations in ripples, just like air does when there is a big noise. Then, you see, you would have the same phenomenon being "evidence" for two completely different explanations. How, then, would you propose determining which of these completely different explanations the phenomenon is REALLY evidence for, since it can only be evidence for one at most? This (you will catch on eventually) is the secret to doing science, not just making stuff up that sounds plausible. PD > The above is evidence of the correctness of Dark Matter Displacement.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: mpc755 on 12 Jul 2010 18:18 On Jul 12, 6:07 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 3:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > > > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > > > And exactly what is the physical interaction between matter and energy > > > > > > and spacetime which causes gravity to exist? > > > > > > That is easily described by any book on general relativity. Would you > > > > > like some recommended reading? > > > > > > PD > > > > > You can't explain anything can you? > > > > Sure, I can, but why would I disgorge the contents of a book into an > > > ascii newsgroup, when it is so much more efficient, productive, and > > > appropriate if you ACTUALLY READ something? > > > > Mike Cavedon, for a software engineer, you're awfully freakin' lazy. > > > > I asked you a question: Would you like some recommended reading? > > > > PD > > > Explain the following: > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > It's certainly evidence of dark matter in the shape of a ring. > It's not evidence for any displacement at all, unless you have a > quantitative model for how that works that matches this observation. > One could just as easily say that it is evidence that dark matter > exhbits concentrations in ripples, just like air does when there is a > big noise. > Then, you see, you would have the same phenomenon being "evidence" for > two completely different explanations. > How, then, would you propose determining which of these completely > different explanations the phenomenon is REALLY evidence for, since it > can only be evidence for one at most? > This (you will catch on eventually) is the secret to doing science, > not just making stuff up that sounds plausible. > > PD > The big noise displaces the air which causes the ripple. Explain the following: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. The above is evidence of the correctness of Dark Matter Displacement.
From: PD on 12 Jul 2010 18:42 On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 6:07 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 3:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > > > > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > > > > And exactly what is the physical interaction between matter and energy > > > > > > > and spacetime which causes gravity to exist? > > > > > > > That is easily described by any book on general relativity. Would you > > > > > > like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > You can't explain anything can you? > > > > > Sure, I can, but why would I disgorge the contents of a book into an > > > > ascii newsgroup, when it is so much more efficient, productive, and > > > > appropriate if you ACTUALLY READ something? > > > > > Mike Cavedon, for a software engineer, you're awfully freakin' lazy.. > > > > > I asked you a question: Would you like some recommended reading? > > > > > PD > > > > Explain the following: > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur.... > > > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > > It's certainly evidence of dark matter in the shape of a ring. > > It's not evidence for any displacement at all, unless you have a > > quantitative model for how that works that matches this observation. > > One could just as easily say that it is evidence that dark matter > > exhbits concentrations in ripples, just like air does when there is a > > big noise. > > Then, you see, you would have the same phenomenon being "evidence" for > > two completely different explanations. > > How, then, would you propose determining which of these completely > > different explanations the phenomenon is REALLY evidence for, since it > > can only be evidence for one at most? > > This (you will catch on eventually) is the secret to doing science, > > not just making stuff up that sounds plausible. > > > PD > > The big noise displaces the air which causes the ripple. Um, no. What do you think a big noise IS exactly? OK, so let's see, you're a QA engineer at a reputable software firm but you don't know the basics of 7th grade science? How did you get a college degree? "The big noise displaces the air..." yuck, yuck. "Matter and dark matter cannot occupy the same three dimensional point..." yuck, yuck. > > Explain the following: I just offered you an explanation. Now: Tell me how you would *tell* whether your explanation or my explanation is the one that really applies? When you can answer THAT, then you may be able to do 7th grade science. > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > The above is evidence of the correctness of Dark Matter Displacement.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: mpc755 on 12 Jul 2010 18:48 On Jul 12, 6:42 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:07 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 3:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > > > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > > > > > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > > > > > And exactly what is the physical interaction between matter and energy > > > > > > > > and spacetime which causes gravity to exist? > > > > > > > > That is easily described by any book on general relativity. Would you > > > > > > > like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > You can't explain anything can you? > > > > > > Sure, I can, but why would I disgorge the contents of a book into an > > > > > ascii newsgroup, when it is so much more efficient, productive, and > > > > > appropriate if you ACTUALLY READ something? > > > > > > Mike Cavedon, for a software engineer, you're awfully freakin' lazy. > > > > > > I asked you a question: Would you like some recommended reading? > > > > > > PD > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > > > It's certainly evidence of dark matter in the shape of a ring. > > > It's not evidence for any displacement at all, unless you have a > > > quantitative model for how that works that matches this observation. > > > One could just as easily say that it is evidence that dark matter > > > exhbits concentrations in ripples, just like air does when there is a > > > big noise. > > > Then, you see, you would have the same phenomenon being "evidence" for > > > two completely different explanations. > > > How, then, would you propose determining which of these completely > > > different explanations the phenomenon is REALLY evidence for, since it > > > can only be evidence for one at most? > > > This (you will catch on eventually) is the secret to doing science, > > > not just making stuff up that sounds plausible. > > > > PD > > > The big noise displaces the air which causes the ripple. > > Um, no. What do you think a big noise IS exactly? > http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_sound_work Sound is created by the transmission of soundwaves, when the particles hit into each other (a vibration) it makesa sound and you hear it when it reaches your ear drums. The particles are displaced. The displacement of the particles cause the vibration. > OK, so let's see, you're a QA engineer at a reputable software firm > but you don't know the basics of 7th grade science? How did you get a > college degree? > > "The big noise displaces the air..." yuck, yuck. > "Matter and dark matter cannot occupy the same three dimensional > point..." yuck, yuck. > > > > > Explain the following: > > I just offered you an explanation. Now: Tell me how you would *tell* > whether your explanation or my explanation is the one that really > applies? When you can answer THAT, then you may be able to do 7th > grade science. > Your explanation was the dark matter ripple was analogous to a sound wave which is correct. A sound wave is caused by a displacement of particles which cause a vibration. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. The above is evidence of the correctness of Dark Matter Displacement. > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > The above is evidence of the correctness of Dark Matter Displacement.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > >
From: mpc755 on 12 Jul 2010 21:13
On Jul 12, 6:42 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:07 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 3:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > > > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > > > > > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > > > > > And exactly what is the physical interaction between matter and energy > > > > > > > > and spacetime which causes gravity to exist? > > > > > > > > That is easily described by any book on general relativity. Would you > > > > > > > like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > You can't explain anything can you? > > > > > > Sure, I can, but why would I disgorge the contents of a book into an > > > > > ascii newsgroup, when it is so much more efficient, productive, and > > > > > appropriate if you ACTUALLY READ something? > > > > > > Mike Cavedon, for a software engineer, you're awfully freakin' lazy. > > > > > > I asked you a question: Would you like some recommended reading? > > > > > > PD > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > > > It's certainly evidence of dark matter in the shape of a ring. > > > It's not evidence for any displacement at all, unless you have a > > > quantitative model for how that works that matches this observation. > > > One could just as easily say that it is evidence that dark matter > > > exhbits concentrations in ripples, just like air does when there is a > > > big noise. > > > Then, you see, you would have the same phenomenon being "evidence" for > > > two completely different explanations. > > > How, then, would you propose determining which of these completely > > > different explanations the phenomenon is REALLY evidence for, since it > > > can only be evidence for one at most? > > > This (you will catch on eventually) is the secret to doing science, > > > not just making stuff up that sounds plausible. > > > > PD > > > The big noise displaces the air which causes the ripple. > > Um, no. What do you think a big noise IS exactly? > 'Sound' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such vibrations." 'Wave' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_wave#Traveling_waves "A wave is a disturbance that propagates (travels) through space and time, usually by transference of energy. A mechanical wave is a wave that propagates through a medium due to restoring forces produced upon its deformation. For example, sound waves propagate via air molecules bumping into their neighbors." The disturbance is a displacement of the medium the wave propagates through. The particles bump into their neighbors because they are displaced. > OK, so let's see, you're a QA engineer at a reputable software firm > but you don't know the basics of 7th grade science? How did you get a > college degree? > > "The big noise displaces the air..." yuck, yuck. > "Matter and dark matter cannot occupy the same three dimensional > point..." yuck, yuck. > > > > > Explain the following: > > I just offered you an explanation. Now: Tell me how you would *tell* > whether your explanation or my explanation is the one that really > applies? When you can answer THAT, then you may be able to do 7th > grade science. > When you said the dark matter ripple is analogous to a sound wave you were correct. A sound wave is a vibration caused by the displacement of particles. The dark matter ripple is caused by the displacement of dark matter by matter. The following is evidence of dark matter displacement: 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html |