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From: mpc755 on 12 Jul 2010 21:27 On Jul 12, 9:13 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 6:42 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 6:07 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 3:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 4:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > > > > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space! > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > > > > > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > > > > > > > > > > with matter and energy. > > > > > > > > > > And exactly what is the physical interaction between matter and energy > > > > > > > > > and spacetime which causes gravity to exist? > > > > > > > > > That is easily described by any book on general relativity. Would you > > > > > > > > like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > > > You can't explain anything can you? > > > > > > > Sure, I can, but why would I disgorge the contents of a book into an > > > > > > ascii newsgroup, when it is so much more efficient, productive, and > > > > > > appropriate if you ACTUALLY READ something? > > > > > > > Mike Cavedon, for a software engineer, you're awfully freakin' lazy. > > > > > > > I asked you a question: Would you like some recommended reading? > > > > > > > PD > > > > > > Explain the following: > > > > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > > > > > It's certainly evidence of dark matter in the shape of a ring. > > > > It's not evidence for any displacement at all, unless you have a > > > > quantitative model for how that works that matches this observation.. > > > > One could just as easily say that it is evidence that dark matter > > > > exhbits concentrations in ripples, just like air does when there is a > > > > big noise. > > > > Then, you see, you would have the same phenomenon being "evidence" for > > > > two completely different explanations. > > > > How, then, would you propose determining which of these completely > > > > different explanations the phenomenon is REALLY evidence for, since it > > > > can only be evidence for one at most? > > > > This (you will catch on eventually) is the secret to doing science, > > > > not just making stuff up that sounds plausible. > > > > > PD > > > > The big noise displaces the air which causes the ripple. > > > Um, no. What do you think a big noise IS exactly? > > 'Sound'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound > > "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure > transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies > within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be > heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such > vibrations." > > 'Wave'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_wave#Traveling_waves > > "A wave is a disturbance that propagates (travels) through space and > time, usually by transference of energy. A mechanical wave is a wave > that propagates through a medium due to restoring forces produced upon > its deformation. For example, sound waves propagate via air molecules > bumping into their neighbors." > > The disturbance is a displacement of the medium the wave propagates > through. The particles bump into their neighbors because they are > displaced. > > > > > OK, so let's see, you're a QA engineer at a reputable software firm > > but you don't know the basics of 7th grade science? How did you get a > > college degree? > > > "The big noise displaces the air..." yuck, yuck. > > "Matter and dark matter cannot occupy the same three dimensional > > point..." yuck, yuck. > > > > Explain the following: > > > I just offered you an explanation. Now: Tell me how you would *tell* > > whether your explanation or my explanation is the one that really > > applies? When you can answer THAT, then you may be able to do 7th > > grade science. > > When you said the dark matter ripple is analogous to a sound wave you > were correct. A sound wave is a vibration caused by the displacement > of particles. The dark matter ripple is caused by the displacement of > dark matter by matter. > > The following is evidence of dark matter displacement: > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... 'Sound' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound "Sound is a travelling wave which is an oscillation of pressure transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such vibrations." Pressure also correctly describes the change in state of the dark matter. When dark matter is displaced by matter the dark matter exerts pressure towards the matter. Pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter is gravity.
From: Y.Porat on 12 Jul 2010 22:19 On Jul 12, 5:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 9:56 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 1:54 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:34 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 11, 3:16 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 12:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 12:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:21 am, Surfer <n...(a)spam.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" > > > > > > > > > > <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >.... > > > > > > > > > > An alternative to the idea of curved space-time, is that matter chews > > > > > > > > > up space, thus causing space to accelerate into matter. > > > > > > > > > > The downward acceleration of space past us into the earth, then causes > > > > > > > > > us to feel the "force" of gravity, in the same way as how we feel > > > > > > > > > pushed backward, when an accelerating vehicle causes us to accelerate > > > > > > > > > relative to space. > > > > > > > > > > This model also explains the gravitational slowing of clocks, without > > > > > > > > > the need to use GR. > > > > > > > > > >http://home.epix.net/~hhlindner/Writings/Space/Physics.html > > > > > > > > > > <Start extract> > > > > > > > > > > If inertial space flows into the Earth as a fluid into a sink, then it > > > > > > > > > must have not only an acceleration at any given radial distance, r, > > > > > > > > > but also a determinate velocity. Its velocity at the Earth's surface > > > > > > > > > ought to be the sum of its total acceleration from rest at infinite > > > > > > > > > distance to the Earth's surface. This velocity should be identical to > > > > > > > > > Newton's escape velocity--the initial velocity that allows any object > > > > > > > > > on the surface of a large mass to escape that mass's gravitational > > > > > > > > > field. Thus at the Earth's surface, space should be moving radially > > > > > > > > > Earthward at sqrt(2 G M/r) , or 112km/s. > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > If, as the evidence suggests, it is velocity in physical space, not > > > > > > > > > merely relative velocity, that red shifts atomic spectra and slows > > > > > > > > > atomic clocks, then an atomic clock held stationary at any given > > > > > > > > > height in a gravitational field should slow just as if it were moving > > > > > > > > > at the escape velocity for that height. This is indeed the case. The > > > > > > > > > accepted formula for the gravitational slowing of atomic clocks is: > > > > > > > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - 2 G M /rc^2) > > > > > > > > > > Since v^2 = 2 G M/r in our model of gravitational space flow, the > > > > > > > > > gravitational red shift formula is identical to that for the > > > > > > > > > transverse Doppler shift: > > > > > > > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) > > > > > > > > > > Thus the expected velocity of space at a given height in a > > > > > > > > > gravitational field correctly predicts the slowing of atomic clocks at > > > > > > > > > that height. We have thus derived the formula for the gravitational > > > > > > > > > red shift from a simple physical hypothesis and produced a physical > > > > > > > > > link between the mechanical effects of gravity and its effects on > > > > > > > > > atomic spectra. > > > > > > > > > > <End extract> > > > > > > > > > Dark matter displaced by matter is more correct. > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > > > > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > > > > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > > > > > > > > You are mistaking the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter as a > > > > > > > > 'flow'. > > > > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > > > > > > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > > > > > > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > > > > > > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > > > > > > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > > > > > > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > > > > > > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > > > > > > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > > > > > > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > > > > > > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > > > > > > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > > > > > > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > > > > > > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > > > > > > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > > > > > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > > > > > > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > > > > > > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > > > > > > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > > > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > > > > > back out." > > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > > > > water." > > > > > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > > > > > two boats. The two boats colliding creates a ripple in the water. The > > > > > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Gravity is a concave curve in space(einstein) Space energy makes a > > > > > > convex curve (Glazier) TreBert > > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > > > back out." > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > > water." > > > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > > > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The > > > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter. > > > > > ------------------ > > > > so very nice!! > > > > a ring fits the 'Circlon' idea !!! > > > > ie > > > > basic particles that > > > > MOVES NATURALLY IN A CLOSED CIRCLE!! > > > > The Moon's 'naturally' orbits the Earth because of the pressure > > > exerted towards the Earth by the dark matter displaced by the Earth. > > > The Earth 'naturally' orbits the Sun because of the pressure exerted > > > towards the Sun by the dark matter displaced by the Sun. > > > ---------------------- > > > why should the dfark matter pressure > > th earth to sun?? > > while it is alleged to do it > > the earth is rweacting back > > and pushes the dark matter outwards > > that is conservation of momentum!!! > > does your dark matter obey conservation of momentum?? > > Both the Earth and the Sun displace dark matter. The displaced dark > matter extends past both the Sun and Earth. This is why most dark > matter is detected outside of galaxy clusters. Matter displaces dark > matter. > > The dark matter displaced by both the Sun and the Earth 'surrounds' > both and displaces back. The displaced dark matter which 'surrounds' > both the Earth and Sun exerts pressure towards both. > ------------------- ================================ i will tell you what is the problem with your theory ... the problem is that TO TELL HALF OF THE TRUTH IS TO CHEAT !!:: your sea wave or pool wave metaphor is cheating!! deceiving !! space is not like a see or an ocean of water !! a see of water has on its edges- BOUNDARIES (AGAIN - BOUNDARIES )) our space has no boundaries on its edges you dont have the' Dover cliffs' on its edges those Dover cliffs are (listen carefully) are pushing back your 'waves that are coming back and forth from it in our space you **just dont have it *!! a much better metaphor to describe your situation in space is listen carefully) is to pure water from a space craft!! if you do it - what will happen to your water that you poured from that space craft ?? it will disperse and got lost in the endless universe !! (provided that it will not be caught by another field of gravity!! so it is the field of gravity **that makes the gravity** -- not space ) REAL EMPTY SPACE HAS NO FIELDS OF GRAVITY !! on the other hand -- **MASS* HAS FIELD OF GRAVITY ** so the field of gravity can be such why ?? i keep that question open at this moment because SPOON FEEDING IS NOT APPRECIATED !!! it will be answered only later not by your water ripples or waves metaphor !! TIA Y.Porat -------------------------
From: mpc755 on 12 Jul 2010 22:28 On Jul 12, 10:19 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 5:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Jul 12, 9:56 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 12, 2:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 12, 1:54 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 12, 6:34 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 3:16 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 12:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 12:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:21 am, Surfer <n...(a)spam.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" > > > > > > > > > > > <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >.... > > > > > > > > > > > An alternative to the idea of curved space-time, is that matter chews > > > > > > > > > > up space, thus causing space to accelerate into matter. > > > > > > > > > > > The downward acceleration of space past us into the earth, then causes > > > > > > > > > > us to feel the "force" of gravity, in the same way as how we feel > > > > > > > > > > pushed backward, when an accelerating vehicle causes us to accelerate > > > > > > > > > > relative to space. > > > > > > > > > > > This model also explains the gravitational slowing of clocks, without > > > > > > > > > > the need to use GR. > > > > > > > > > > >http://home.epix.net/~hhlindner/Writings/Space/Physics.html > > > > > > > > > > > <Start extract> > > > > > > > > > > > If inertial space flows into the Earth as a fluid into a sink, then it > > > > > > > > > > must have not only an acceleration at any given radial distance, r, > > > > > > > > > > but also a determinate velocity. Its velocity at the Earth's surface > > > > > > > > > > ought to be the sum of its total acceleration from rest at infinite > > > > > > > > > > distance to the Earth's surface. This velocity should be identical to > > > > > > > > > > Newton's escape velocity--the initial velocity that allows any object > > > > > > > > > > on the surface of a large mass to escape that mass's gravitational > > > > > > > > > > field. Thus at the Earth's surface, space should be moving radially > > > > > > > > > > Earthward at sqrt(2 G M/r) , or 112km/s. > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > If, as the evidence suggests, it is velocity in physical space, not > > > > > > > > > > merely relative velocity, that red shifts atomic spectra and slows > > > > > > > > > > atomic clocks, then an atomic clock held stationary at any given > > > > > > > > > > height in a gravitational field should slow just as if it were moving > > > > > > > > > > at the escape velocity for that height. This is indeed the case. The > > > > > > > > > > accepted formula for the gravitational slowing of atomic clocks is: > > > > > > > > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - 2 G M /rc^2) > > > > > > > > > > > Since v^2 = 2 G M/r in our model of gravitational space flow, the > > > > > > > > > > gravitational red shift formula is identical to that for the > > > > > > > > > > transverse Doppler shift: > > > > > > > > > > > Delta_v/v = 1 - sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) > > > > > > > > > > > Thus the expected velocity of space at a given height in a > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field correctly predicts the slowing of atomic clocks at > > > > > > > > > > that height. We have thus derived the formula for the gravitational > > > > > > > > > > red shift from a simple physical hypothesis and produced a physical > > > > > > > > > > link between the mechanical effects of gravity and its effects on > > > > > > > > > > atomic spectra. > > > > > > > > > > > <End extract> > > > > > > > > > > Dark matter displaced by matter is more correct. > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > > > > > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > > > > > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > > > > > > > > > You are mistaking the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter as a > > > > > > > > > 'flow'. > > > > > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > > > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > > > > > > > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > > > > > > > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > > > > > > > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > > > > > > > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > > > > > > > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > > > > > > > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > > > > > > > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > > > > > > > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > > > > > > > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > > > > > > > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > > > > > > > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > > > > > > > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > > > > > > > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > > > > > > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > > > > > > > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > > > > > > > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > > > > > > > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > > > > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > > > > > > back out." > > > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > > > > > water." > > > > > > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > > > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > > > > > > two boats. The two boats colliding creates a ripple in the water. The > > > > > > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > > > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Gravity is a concave curve in space(einstein) Space energy makes a > > > > > > > convex curve (Glazier) TreBert > > > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > > > > back out." > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > > > water." > > > > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > > > > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water.. The > > > > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter. > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > so very nice!! > > > > > a ring fits the 'Circlon' idea !!! > > > > > ie > > > > > basic particles that > > > > > MOVES NATURALLY IN A CLOSED CIRCLE!! > > > > > The Moon's 'naturally' orbits the Earth because of the pressure > > > > exerted towards the Earth by the dark matter displaced by the Earth.. > > > > The Earth 'naturally' orbits the Sun because of the pressure exerted > > > > towards the Sun by the dark matter displaced by the Sun. > > > > ---------------------- > > > > why should the dfark matter pressure > > > th earth to sun?? > > > while it is alleged to do it > > > the earth is rweacting back > > > and pushes the dark matter outwards > > > that is conservation of momentum!!! > > > does your dark matter obey conservation of momentum?? > > > Both the Earth and the Sun displace dark matter. The displaced dark > > matter extends past both the Sun and Earth. This is why most dark > > matter is detected outside of galaxy clusters. Matter displaces dark > > matter. > > > The dark matter displaced by both the Sun and the Earth 'surrounds' > > both and displaces back. The displaced dark matter which 'surrounds' > > both the Earth and Sun exerts pressure towards both. > > ------------------- > > ================================ > i will tell you what is the problem with your theory ... > the problem is that > TO TELL HALF OF THE TRUTH > IS TO CHEAT !!:: > > your sea wave or pool wave metaphor is cheating!! deceiving !! > space is not like a see or an ocean > of water !! > a see of water has on its edges- > BOUNDARIES (AGAIN - BOUNDARIES )) > our space has no boundaries on its edges > you dont have the' Dover cliffs' on its edges > those Dover cliffs are (listen carefully) > are pushing back your 'waves > that are coming back and forth from it > in our space you > **just dont have it *!! > a much better metaphor to describe your situation in space is > listen carefully) > is to pure water from a space craft!! > if you do it - what will happen to your water that you poured from > that > space craft ?? > > it will disperse and got lost in the endless universe !! > (provided that it will not be caught > by another field of gravity!! > > so it is the field of gravity **that makes the gravity** -- not > space ) > > REAL EMPTY SPACE HAS NO FIELDS OF GRAVITY !! > > on the other hand -- > **MASS* HAS FIELD OF GRAVITY ** > > so the field of gravity can be such > why ?? > > i keep that question open at this moment > because > SPOON FEEDING IS NOT APPRECIATED !!! > > it will be answered only later > not by your water ripples or waves metaphor !! > > TIA > Y.Porat > ------------------------- 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. The above is evidence of the correctness of Dark Matter Displacement.
From: Y.Porat on 13 Jul 2010 02:06 On Jul 13, 4:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 10:19 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 12, 5:59 pm, mp > > > ================================ > > i will tell you what is the problem with your theory ... > > the problem is that > > TO TELL HALF OF THE TRUTH > > IS TO CHEAT !!:: > > > your sea wave or pool wave metaphor is cheating!! deceiving !! > > space is not like a see or an ocean > > of water !! > > a see of water has on its edges- > > BOUNDARIES (AGAIN - BOUNDARIES )) > > our space has no boundaries on its edges > > you dont have the' Dover cliffs' on its edges > > those Dover cliffs are (listen carefully) > > are pushing back your 'waves > > that are coming back and forth from it > > in our space you > > **just dont have it *!! > > a much better metaphor to describe your situation in space is > > listen carefully) > > is to pure water from a space craft!! > > if you do it - what will happen to your water that you poured from > > that > > space craft ?? > > > it will disperse and got lost in the endless universe !! > > (provided that it will not be caught > > by another field of gravity!! > > > so it is the field of gravity **that makes the gravity** -- not > > space ) > > > REAL EMPTY SPACE HAS NO FIELDS OF GRAVITY !! > > > on the other hand -- > > **MASS* HAS FIELD OF GRAVITY ** > > > so the field of gravity can be such > > why ?? > > > i keep that question open at this moment > > because > > SPOON FEEDING IS NOT APPRECIATED !!! > > > it will be answered only later > > not by your water ripples or waves metaphor !! > > > TIA > > Y.Porat > > ------------------------- > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > water." -------------- that is your private interpretation !! where do you see a rock boundary?? iow where do you see those 'Dover cliffs' there Hoooop i forgot my interpretation is that the are there billions of witches on brooms that repel back with thier brooms all dark matter backwards to form a rings like shape all those billions of witched with brooms have a Master Witch with a big pointed hat that is ordering all the others with a megaphone to line up in a circle with a radius of 2 light years!! how about my explanation what is yours better than mine ?? 2 what you saw is a momentary temporary situation so WHAT DO YOU OR OTHERS KNOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS A FEW DAYS LATER ?? or a few years later ??? OR A FEW MILLION YEARS LATER 3 how do you know about what is that ring composed of ie WHAT are ALL ITS COMPONENTS ?? TIA Y.Porat ------------------------ > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter. > The above is evidence of the correctness of Dark Matter Displacement.
From: Y.Porat on 13 Jul 2010 03:38
On Jul 12, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Gravity is a property of mass!! > > it is *not* a property of space! > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction > with matter and energy. > > > > > now of curved space time or other nonsense physic s alike !! > > peoplehave lost too muchtime on that nonsense > > curved space time > > gravity should be loked in some basic mass particle > > emitted from big masses > > he Circlon'' might be a good start !! > > the Circlon is a basic particle > > that > > 'moves naturally in curved or circular paths > > naturallt mease it is a premise > > ie > > it does not move in a curved pass > > because 'some forces make it move like that but = > > but it moves in a curved path > > 'because it was 'born' like that > > and is actually the cause of all atractin froces > > iow > > it is a premis > > exactly as 'curved space trime is another *premis* > > > the photon cannot be an attraction agent > > because it moves in a **straight lines** > > and if so to be an attraction agent is against the > > conservation of Momentum principle > > (the momentum has direction ...!!) > > 2 > > another nonsense attraction particle are the W or Z > > > AN ATTRACTION AGENT CANNOT BE BIGGER THAN ITS MOTHER > > PARTICLE !!! > > etc etc etc nonsense physics that 'modern physics'' > > is filled with > > without any one eating it without blinking an eye!! > > (mainly fucken mathematicians > > that lead us toi a dead end position !!!) > > > Y.Porat > > -------------------------------------- Bravo you make some advance even if inspired by me (:-) now i have a little question for you PD if you say 'an interaction' so it is an interaction between two physical entities yet i order to understand that INTERACTION between those 2 entities we have to know to scratch the properties of those two actors am i right ??? if so whqt are the properties of that mysterious space that can curve a motion that would otherwise move in a straight line 2 for example out earth moved in a circle around the sun and all that happens in space now **if that sun was not there** our earth move in a strigfgt line isn t that so ?? so ??? what made our earth to move i a circle is it space ??? or is it the - sun and earths masses ?? 2 if we have jsut one mass in space what is its interaction with space ?? 3 if we have only two masses in space but the distance between the two mass --is a very very big big distance (between those two masses) what is the **interaction** (inter **....). action) between those two mass --->- ------>****AND SPACE ** ??!! TIA Y.Porat -------------------- |