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From: Warren Oates on 6 Apr 2010 07:44 In article <1jgj9so.3ajba71umb2ptN%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > How on Earth is this appropriate for comp.sys.mac newsgroups? If Jesus Himself were to have a computer, it would be a MacBook Air. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 6 Apr 2010 12:08 John wrote: > The Lord loves you Mike and wants to save you from your sins. This > comment is inappropriate. You massively cross-posted a religious message. You got a massively cross-posted religious discussion. But I guess that is OK for you. The rest of us have to live with the consequences (big or trivial) of our actions; but you magical forgiveness for yours. I guess that makes you a better person. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read HTML or poorly quoting posts Reply-To address is valid
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 6 Apr 2010 12:17 Sherm Pendley wrote: > Ian Gregory <ianji33(a)googlemail.com> writes: > >> On 2010-04-05, Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: >>> Ian Gregory <ianji33(a)googlemail.com> writes: >>> >>>> There is no "other side", a fact which >>> >>> ... is a belief, not a fact. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. >> >> Whatever. > > No, not "whatever." Words have meaning, and "belief" and "fact" do not > mean the same thing. First we need to recognize that nothing (with the possible exception of mathematical theorems) is known with absolute certainty. So if we want the word "fact" to have any *useful* meaning it needs to include things that for which our beliefs are sufficiently justified and close to certain to merit being called "knowledge". So for example, would you consider it a fact that the Sun (approximately) is the center of our solar system? Is the heliocentric view a "fact" for you? Then let's go to an absence of evidence case. Is it a fact for you that unicorns do not exist? And if so, what role does absence of evidence play in that conclusion. Basically there are cases in which absence of evidence is evidence of absence (as in the unicorn case). The question then is whether life after death is one of those cases. But before getting to that, you need to get beyond this "absence of evidence" slogan. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read HTML or poorly quoting posts Reply-To address is valid
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 6 Apr 2010 12:22 John wrote: > In article <1jghlbz.1nw9kt917d6nhdN%mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, > mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote: > >> >> Don't go around forcing your opinion on others and then say it's >> "inappropriate" for others to respond with their opinions. > > You are right it was off topic. Don't worry Jesus forgives you. Two kids had become friends. One was a Christian and other an atheist. But the atheist thought that he would try out this religion thing, so he prays for a new bicycle. His Christian friend explains that that is not how pray works and goes on to explain about Christianity more carefully. The next day the atheist shows up with a new bicycle and thanks his friend for enlightening him. "You see," he says, "I stole this bicycle and prayed for forgiveness." -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read HTML or poorly quoting posts Reply-To address is valid
From: Warren Oates on 6 Apr 2010 13:24
In article <8215drFjeuU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody(a)goldmark.org> wrote: > The next day the atheist shows up with a new bicycle and thanks his > friend for enlightening him. "You see," he says, "I stole this bicycle > and prayed for forgiveness." Emo Philips: "When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked him to forgive me." http://www.emophilips.com/home He also says: "How many here have telekinetic powers? Raise my hand." -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer |