From: Mike Rosenberg on 5 Apr 2010 16:59 Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > > Anyway, to me Jesus is the name commonly used for Yeshua, the name of > > the central character in that little supplement that Christians appended > > to the Holy Scriptures and called The New Testament while renaming the > > Holy Scriptures themselves The Old Testament. > > > > If I were to die today, I'd go exactly where everyone else goes, just > > like you. And, just like you and every other living human being, having > > not died yet I have know idea where that is or what it's like, or ever > > if there's a "there" there. It's all explained by the parable of the > > blind men and the elephant. > > > > When I die, there won't be anything to "believe" since whatever I > > encounter (assuming there's anything to encounter) will be exactly what > > it is. As for meeting Jesus, if I get to meet characters from books > > after I die, I have to say I'd be much more interested in talking to > > Yossarian or Holden Caulfeld. Or perhaps Dorothy and Toto. > > You're wasting your breath. Meanwhile, if John would gain a fundamental understanding of the blind men and the elephant, he would truly be saved. Really, truly saved. Not, of course, in the metaphysical way he uses the term "saved" but in a literal way, as he would save all the time and effort he wastes on preaching unsubstantiated opinions. If only he were a believer... -- My latest dance performance <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_9pudbFisE> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi>
From: VAXman- on 5 Apr 2010 17:00 In article <C7DFC570.58126%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid>, Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> writes: >In article slrnhrk7hl.2udv.ianji33(a)zenatode.org.uk, Ian Gregory at >ianji33(a)googlemail.com wrote on 4/5/10 1:30 PM: > >> On 2010-04-05, Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: >>> Ian Gregory <ianji33(a)googlemail.com> writes: >>> >>>> There is no "other side", a fact which >>> >>> ... is a belief, not a fact. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. >> >> Whatever. I believe that it is a fact. >> >> Ian > > >Do you also believe in angels? I do! I've seen them in Anaheim, CA. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG http://www.quirkfactory.com/popart/asskey/eqn2.png Yeah. You know, it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people. -- Billy Ray Valentine
From: Warren Oates on 5 Apr 2010 17:18 In article <C7DFC567.58126%nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid>, Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > The folks who regularly play the Lottery use similar reasoning: "Since > 'someone' has to win, why not buy a ticket?" But that's sort of true. Probability suggests that for every 14 million (say) tickets sold, one will be a winner; it could just as easily be mine as some bozo's in Port Huron. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer
From: Sherm Pendley on 5 Apr 2010 17:30 Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> writes: > In article <m24ojpbqqh.fsf(a)shermpendley.com>, > Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: > >> > For all practical purposes, the difference here between fact and >> > belief is moot. >> >> That difference is *precisely* what I'm talking about. What Ian happens >> to believe, and whether or not I agree with it, is immaterial. I'm >> simply arguing against the use of the word "fact" to describe something >> that has not been proven one way or another. > > Ok, then, you're being a pedant. Yes, certainly. I believe I have good reason to be pedantic about this particular issue though. If people better understood the difference between "I don't share your belief" and "I know you're incorrect about the facts," I think the world would be a better, saner place. sherm--
From: Ian Gregory on 5 Apr 2010 17:31
On 2010-04-05, Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > Do you also believe in angels? Only Kelly, Jill and Sabrina. Kris was clearly fictional. Ian -- Ian Gregory http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ |