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From: gtr on 6 Apr 2010 01:38 On 2010-04-05 19:32:31 -0700, Jamie Kahn Genet said: > John Wolf <jwolf6589(a)THUNDERBIRDgmail.com> wrote: > >> On 4/4/10 5:34 PM, The Doctor wrote: >>> The Jewish Celebration commemorating the liberation of the Jews >>> from Pharoah. >> >> I see. To you who is Jesus? If you were to die today where would you go, >> and if you met Jesus on the other side, as well as every major religious >> figure, who would you believe and why? > > How on Earth is this appropriate for comp.sys.mac newsgroups? It's a water cooler. What gets said here gets forgotten by lunch... -- Thank you and have a nice day.
From: gtr on 6 Apr 2010 01:40 On 2010-04-05 21:57:53 -0700, Jeffrey Goldberg said: > Michelle Steiner wrote: >> In article <m2hbnp6gbe.fsf(a)shermpendley.com>, >> Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: >> >>>> There is no "other side", a fact which >>> >>> ... is a belief, not a fact. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. >> >> The fact is that in all of recorded and oral histories, there has been no >> evidence of an other side. > > This issue is best illustrated by Russell's teapot. Bertrand Russell > when confronted with this argument described a teapot orbiting the Sun > between Earth and Mars. Given the technology of the day (and today) > there is no way to prove that there is no such teapot. (And at the time > there were no known made made objects that had left Earth.) > > Yet all reasonable people would agree that -- despite the fact that > absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence -- we would be perfectly > justified in believing that no such teapot exists. > > More modern analysis has formalized this notion and question, and what > underlies it is Bayesian reasoning. This reduces the argument of there > being "something" after death to our fundamental views of what mind and > consciousness is. For duelists, there is some possibility of "life" > after death (though it takes some pretty big leaps to get there even for > duelists). For materialists (for which all the evidence points) there > isn't a chance in hell of "mind" being the kind of thing that can > persist without a body. Brains make minds. > >> Then there's Pascal's wager. If there isn't an other side, but we act as >> if there were one, what harm has happened? But if there is an other side, >> and we act as if there weren't, what will happen to use when we get there? > > The problem with Pascal's wager is that it is always presented as two > options. Either there is no god, or God insists on worship or > "acceptance into your heart" or such. But of course in terms of the > wager we need to consider other kinds of gods. Suppose there is a god > who would punish exactly those people who surrendered God's gift of > reason by believing in a god without evidence. Or suppose there is a > god who will punish those who hop on one foot during the Sabbath. > > Pascal's wager only works when there is a single, very specific, option > for God's rules of reward and punishment. Otherwise, it provides no > rational for behaving one way or another. > >> Considering Occam's Razor, though, I'll take that wager because I doubt >> that God is the spoiled brat that's portrayed in the Bible. > > Exactly. Indeed, if God is the kind of entity that would insist on > blind worship, He certainly isn't deserving of it. There. I've learned more about my universe than I usually do, and to think that I saw it on Mulberry street! -- Thank you and have a nice day.
From: Nick Naym on 6 Apr 2010 01:52 In article 4bba7670$0$11029$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com, JF Mezei at jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca wrote on 4/5/10 7:46 PM: > Nick Naym wrote: > >> >> Do you also believe in angels? >> > > > There is proof of their existence: > > http://www2.victoriassecret.com/collection/?cgname=OSBRPANGZZZ&cgnbr=OSBRPANGZ > ZZ&rfnbr=5709 Heavenly! -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.3)
From: gl4317 on 6 Apr 2010 02:34 In article <jqGdnVkohuhWLSfWnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > In article <4bba7562$0$14772$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > Once you die, you cannot do any more actions to change your legacy so it > > stays that way for eternity. > > I doubt it. History is always subject to being rewritten or at least > reinterpreted. Some may be forever, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc., but many will > be rehabed later on. There's already been attempts by the Iranians and a few others to give Hitler a historic makeover. -- -Glennl Please note this e-mail address is a pit of spam, and most e-mail sent to this address are simply lost in the vast mess.
From: gl4317 on 6 Apr 2010 02:44
In article <jqGdnVgohui5LCfWnZ2dnUVZ_vQAAAAA(a)earthlink.com>, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > In article <1jgj9so.3ajba71umb2ptN%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, > jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > John Wolf <jwolf6589(a)THUNDERBIRDgmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 4/4/10 5:34 PM, The Doctor wrote: > > > > The Jewish Celebration commemorating the liberation of the Jews > > > > from Pharoah. > > > > > > I see. To you who is Jesus? If you were to die today where would you go, > > > and if you met Jesus on the other side, as well as every major religious > > > figure, who would you believe and why? > > > > > > > > > John > > > > How on Earth is this appropriate for comp.sys.mac newsgroups? > > God obviously owns Macs. I mean talk about self-evident (G&D&R) Yeah, my understanding is they tried MS-DOS many years back, but got stuck in an I/O loop for some 40 days and 40 nights, being asked over and over again ABORT RETRY IGNORE? The default output device, unfortunately, was set for "RAIN" at the time. -- -Glennl Please note this e-mail address is a pit of spam, and most e-mail sent to this address are simply lost in the vast mess. |