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From: Ian Gregory on 5 Apr 2010 13:30 On 2010-04-05, Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: > Ian Gregory <ianji33(a)googlemail.com> writes: > >> There is no "other side", a fact which > > ... is a belief, not a fact. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Whatever. I believe that it is a fact. Ian -- Ian Gregory http://www.zenatode.org.uk/
From: Sherm Pendley on 5 Apr 2010 13:53 Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> writes: > In article <m2hbnp6gbe.fsf(a)shermpendley.com>, > Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: > >> > There is no "other side", a fact which >> >> ... is a belief, not a fact. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. > > The fact is that in all of recorded and oral histories, there has been no > evidence of an other side. As I said - absence of proof is not proof of absence. You believe that there is no "other side," and as it happens I also believe that - but that's belief, not fact. A fact, by definition, can be tested and proven to be true. The absence of an afterlife is no more testable than the presence of one. sherm--
From: Sherm Pendley on 5 Apr 2010 14:16 Ian Gregory <ianji33(a)googlemail.com> writes: > On 2010-04-05, Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: >> Ian Gregory <ianji33(a)googlemail.com> writes: >> >>> There is no "other side", a fact which >> >> ... is a belief, not a fact. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. > > Whatever. No, not "whatever." Words have meaning, and "belief" and "fact" do not mean the same thing. If what you wrote is not what you meant, that's neither my fault nor my problem. Buy a dictionary if you need one. sherm--
From: Sherm Pendley on 5 Apr 2010 14:28 Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> writes: > In article <m2mxxhaiqy.fsf(a)shermpendley.com>, > Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: > >> > The fact is that in all of recorded and oral histories, there has been >> > no evidence of an other side. >> >> As I said - absence of proof is not proof of absence. You believe that >> there is no "other side," and as it happens I also believe that - but >> that's belief, not fact. A fact, by definition, can be tested and proven >> to be true. The absence of an afterlife is no more testable than the >> presence of one. > > You're apparently forgetting about Occam's Razor. No, just remembering the correct definition of the words "fact" and "belief." > When something can > neither be proven nor disproven .... that's when it becomes a question of belief, rather than fact. > there are other methods to determine which > is more likely. Or in this case, extemely likely. Occam's is a very reasonable basis upon which to form a belief, but odds (no matter how high) are not proof. sherm--
From: VAXman- on 5 Apr 2010 14:36
In article <1jggxn2.1dwj2wj111jxkwN%mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) writes: >John Wolf <jwolf6589(a)THUNDERBIRDgmail.com> wrote: > >> On 4/4/10 4:49 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: >> > In article<9b5un.31881$u62.31395(a)newsfe10.iad>, >> > John Wolf<jwolf6589(a)THUNDERBIRDgmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Want to wish everyone a happy Easter. >> > >> > Happy Passover to you, John. >> > >> Thank you. >> >> What do you mean by Passover? > >You seriously don't know what Passover is? How can you claim to know >anything about the Bible or Christianity without knowing about Passover? >Passover is central to the Easter parable! What about all the other "parables" in that text before it? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG http://www.quirkfactory.com/popart/asskey/eqn2.png Yeah. You know, it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people. -- Billy Ray Valentine |